User talk:KhangND/Archive 1

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Really good work with the 'List of Classes' pages. They're really visually appealing now. Quan of Leonster (talk) 02:32, April 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm glad to help ^^ -- Khang talk 02:45, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply!
Hi and thanks for answering my question at the talk page of Yotsmungand, I'm glad to be of some help and it could be A LOT of work mentioning all the guys that have this tome but well.

I'll do my best!.

PS: btw Idk how to answer someone's reply at talk pages, could you tell me how to do so?. I was going to reply at there...

Zeb123 (talk) 01:23, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello ^^ to reply at the talk page, you just have to click edit on the section and start the line of reply with a colon to move your reply in by one TAB stop. Let's do our best ^^ -- Khang talk 01:33, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Infobox
I really like the game infobox, and I am surprised we didn't have something like that before. With that said, I am really not liking the gradient, it looks a bit goofy. Instead, is there a way to get the infobox colored with the color scheme used for the other templates associated with each game?--Otherarrow (talk) 06:28, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm, yea...I do make bad choice sometimes. Anyway, by other templates, you meant the navigation templates right? If that's so, I'll list the colors here and if you find they're ok, I'll make a template for generating the color corresponding to the game, to make it consistently associated with each game. Here you go (FE1 - 13 starting from left):

 Khang talk 08:34, May 22, 2015 (UTC) 
 * Yeah, pretty much! I also tried to have the CharStat templates fit those colors too. Those seem about right, good.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's the color template: Template:Color =] -- Khang talk 00:52, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * That will do! Well, kinda. The thing you have mapped for "12" is...I'm not sure where that's from. The actual FE12, New Mystery, uses a different color (see the colors on the template here. for example. Also, we might need a color for TRS too, don't we? Akaneia Saga?--Otherarrow (talk) 01:21, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well the color used for FE12 navigation template was the same as FE3 so I had to pick a different one, but now that you have provided me a color, I just have to change it.
 * And yeah, those should have their colors as well. Just provide me the colors and I'll do the rest =] -- Khang talk 01:36, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the template is here, and we don't have the updated Charstat for it yet, so there is that.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:41, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Done! And the Fire Emblem if and...Akaneia Saga's colors? --  Khang talk 04:55, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Akaneia Saga has a template at Template:BSFE, but I think it's shared with New Mystery? (Fair enough, since New Mystery also included a remake of Akaneia Saga). As for if...wow I haven't thought of it. It has the white/black thing going, so maybe that? A gray color? Do you have an idea?--Otherarrow (talk) 04:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm, yeah, I was also thinking of a dark color, so how's this? --  Khang talk 07:34, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you still deciding what color the Fire Emblem if infobox should be? The whole game has a direct black/white feel to it, but I suppose pure black would be too dark and white would be a bit boring compared to the other games. I have a few ideas:


 * The top row is a mixture of the 2 main boxart colors, the second row is a themed color and the third row has grey variations to go with the black/white theme. Alternatively there is that dark grey one you suggested before as well (which would match both boxarts dark Nintendo 3DS banner). I'm not sure if the elusive 'Third Path' is going to have it's own color or not so there's that to keep in mind (though seeing as it's DLC in Japan I'm not sure how much that would count anyway). Hopefully this is the sort of thing you meant when you said you where looking for ideas! Evacino (talk) 18:28, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, nice ^^ I really love the look of mixture 1. I think I'll proceed with it. Thanks for your ideas =] --  Khang talk 23:55, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome, glad I could help! I think the color scheme looks great now it's in place! That's the one I would have personally chosen as well. ;) Evacino (talk) 01:17, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess we share the same thought huh xD Let's do our best to grow our "town" ^^ -  Khang talk 01:54, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Tabber
Hi, can I ask for help how to make this work with tabbers? Preferrably like this, but it turns out I need to manually put in information. This is really cute, too and I like the borders.

...Redesigning this infobox, too. Sorry to bother you. Basically, I just want to be able to put in the table filled with information with tabbers. I don't know what to to with this. :( --The Tomato Fairy (talk) 20:10, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Tomato, um...I'm sorry but don't quite get what you want to achieve. Can you clarify things more so that I can help (if I can)? =] —  Khang talk 00:56, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats!
It's official, you are an admin now! I was talking it over with my girlfriend, and she told me to just go ahead and do it, since you do a good job. And well, you do! You are a hardworking user and have proven yourself reliable, understanding, and willing to help. Sorry for any trouble, and thanks a lot. (Also, she still wants help with the other wiki if you can)--Otherarrow (talk) 18:15, August 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for having faith in me and I'm glad we could talk it out without making the situation worse ^^ And since I'm still considered a new member comparing to you who have been here for ages, please correct me whenever I make any mistakes in editing or using my priviledge. --  Khang  ( talk ) 03:37, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

At last, we have a second admin on hand (and we really need it)!
I dont really know how long Otherarrow has had to run this wikia by himself (maybe 1-2 years?), but at last we have another admin on deck!

User:LittleEngines747 19:24, August 15, 2015 (UTC)LittleEngines747


 * Thank you, I will do as best as I can to be worthy of this responsibility ^^  Khang  ( talk ) 03:37, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Main Page colors
Hey, Tomato and I noticed right away that the main page colors as they were clashed pretty heavily with the now blue skin, so we set out to give it colors that blended better. I hope you understand what we are doing here.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:17, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I understand, maybe mixing colors is not my field. As long as you know what is best for the community =] Khang (talk ) 03:28, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, do you know how to change the color of the sidebar and top tabs (user page, discussion, etc) in Monobook? They are still white for me so far. Is that something that can be edited easily? Thanks again for all the help.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:53, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just edited them to fit the monobook skin as we discussed. It might take a while for the changes to take effect. Khang (talk ) 04:01, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to bother you again, but Tomato noticed that the text boxes for the userboxes on user pages in Oasis kinda clash. I think it's a unmodified default gray that doesn't fit the rest of the modified skin? Who knows?--Otherarrow (talk) 16:31, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Err, which ones? Sorry, I really wasn't aware of these userboxes =]
 * Oh btw, regarding the main page, I still cannot say I'm pleased with the colors, they're still not blending well enough and causing eye strain (maybe just me). Anyway, I have an idea in mind which need you guys to judge. Here's what I intend to change to:


 * I removed drop shadow which doesn't look good on dark background, added gradient effect and borders.-- Khang (talk ) 00:20, August 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * We like it. It looks good! Tomato can't remember the exact color she used, but it was one of it's shades. Good thinking on this.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:39, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Just dropping by to let you know that I am very impressed by what you have done to improve the aesthetics of the infoboxes. Thank you for all you have done thus far! MoroseLark User - Talk 12:34, September 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! This is the least I can do to pay back for what you guys've done for the past years ^^ Khang (talk ) 13:41, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Some TRS and Berwick Saga questions
Are the Gladiators in the game, female, because I saw a Female Gladiator picture? Are Marine Fighters present in Berwick Saga, in Kaga's TRS with Berwick mechanics idea, Garo promoted from Marine Fighter to Pirate. Emperor Hardin (talk) 05:15, September 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Heh, you're probably asking the wrong person ^^ I actually haven't played Berwick Saga, and as for TearRing Saga, I currently only have reached Map 10. Therefore, I'm unable to provide you with proper answers for those questions. Sorry. -- Khang (talk ) 06:41, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem at all! Basically there were several female Axe infantry class portraits labeled things like Gladiator, and Hero on a photobucket with Tear Ring saga pictures. As for the page merges, Iron Knight seems to exist with Great Knight in TRS, and the Axe knight in Berwick promotes to Great Knight. Emperor Hardin (talk) 06:45, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Fun Fact on FE3 Bandits
They're actually just renamed Fighters! Their map animations are the exact same(palette included) their battle graphics are the exactly same as Fighters, and all their player(Unused) and enemy palettes are the exact same as Fighters. This is different from other variation classes such as Dark Mage, or FE3 Berserker! I kinda why they made the disctinction, huh? Emperor Hardin (talk) 08:31, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, yea, I wouldn't notice, if you didn't tell me xD. That's kinda strange. -- Khang (talk ) 12:11, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * When I first played it, I didn't figure out they were a different class until much later, I thought Barbarians were the bandit class. Barbarians definitely fit the mold better, being shirtless tough thugs who are associated with the mountains. Barbarians also give a similar amount of EXP to a promoted class(EXP is awarded differently in FE3), so even they don't promote into anything they're the only Axe class to be on par with a Tier 2 Class. Emperor Hardin (talk) 04:13, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * I see, that's good to know. I only have played FE from the 5th installment, so I don't know much about its predecessors =] -- Khang (talk ) 04:58, September 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Another interesting thing is Soldiers have all they need to be playable in the original FE3! In the original game, Soldiers were as powerful as any other class unlike Thracia 776 where they are much weaker then the other classes. They tend to replace Cavaliers, and Paladins during the indoor chapters in the FE1 remake portion of FE3. Also as for the enemy only classes section in Shin Monsho Nazo, all the Dragon classes are enemy only as they're degenerated Dragons. They use breath weapons, which in harder difficulties have 1-2 range. However one carries a  droppable Firestone as well, which he sometimes uses to attack? Maybe he transformed offscreen, huh? Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:30, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * If I can make a suggestion, if you get another dismounted Commando Knight/Knight Captain picture, could you show them using a Lance? Emperor Hardin (talk) 07:03, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, sure. I'll put it in the Commando Knight page. -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 07:08, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I feel thats one of the most notable attributes of the Commando Knight class. Emperor Hardin (talk) 07:52, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * I wanted to ask, can you use an action replay with Tear Ring Saga? I can link you to the codes for it . I'm kinda curious about unplayable class info. Emperor Hardin (talk) 08:53, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the useful link ^^ I managed to get the codes to work and discovered some interesting things like the Emperor class, which is unused but owns a map sprite or the unused male map sprite of the Priest class, which is supposed to be a female-only class. I'll look into it for more later =] -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 12:24, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Your very welcome! Thank you very much for the sprites! I was also thinking maybe you could try Switching a character to an unplayable mounted class such as Lance Knight, and then see if you can dismount them? Emperor Hardin (talk) 21:56, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems all enemy mounted units can't be dismounted since there's no "dismount" command. -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 01:41, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting, what about indoor chapters? Doesn't everyone automatically dismount in those, will enemy only mounted classes still be mounted? I also have another hacking suggestion involving some spoilers, and a dragon ring. Also wanna make a new section on the talk page for our conversatoon? Emperor Hardin (talk) 02:33, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. About the testing mounting/dismounting with indoor chapters, that'll have to wait since the code only allows me to change Runan's class, but I'm still currently with Holmes' party. -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 04:05, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Tear Ring Saga Hacking
Sure, the topic says you might be able to change another characters class with "DC" or "D8." We could also find out the class caps of Soldier, Barbarian(is it really in the Merc category?), and some of the monsters even? Emperor Hardin (talk) 04:19, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't really get what he meant by "Next Character's Class is +DC or possibly +D8" (maybe replacing the XX with those?) and if you mean to find out the enemy classes' caps, I think they're all already listed on pegasusknight.com. -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 11:48, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think its really related to HeX editing, but I don't entirely get it either, so no worries. That Pegasus Knight link is really helpful, thank you very much. We can see: Barbarians are indeed Outlaw type, most Monsters have powerful caps, and Enemy Thieves have very different stat caps. Speaking of which, is the Emperor incomplete class, finished enough to have Stat Caps? Emperor Hardin (talk) 22:29, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the Emperor still has stat caps, tho I can't tell the exact numbers for now. More details in case you want to know: the Emperor is armor group, wields sword and all types of magic excluding Light. -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 00:41, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that information, I knew Emperor used Anima and Dark Magic, but I didn't know it was armored, or could use swords! I'm thinking of linking Archopus to Mogall. I'm positive they're related, note Mogall's first appeared in Gaiden which Tear Ring Saga takes alot of inspiration from. Also any other unused class info, I heard something about a gladiator? Emperor Hardin (talk) 04:02, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yea, Arch Opus does seem to have a lot in common with the Mogall class, but I suspect it is a promoted version of the Opus, so linking to Arch Mogall may be more appropriate. There's also a bunch of unused classes but most of them don't have a name so... About gladiators, I still haven't encountered any, maybe they're only available in arenas?-- 04:43, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll link Arch Opus to Arch Mogall then. Maybe you can tell me about some of the Unused classes, see if any of them resemble any classic classes? Yeah I heard Gladiator is only in the arena. I know there was a unused female variant for it! Emperor Hardin (talk) 04:51, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

There are King, Queen with map sprites only, unused Dancer class with unused map sprite  and a noname class with both map sprite  and battle model  but no animations. More will come up later =] -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 05:23, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks that info is rather interesting. I'm going to guess Queen is a NPC, Civilian, class unlike Hilda based off the look. King is an ally NPC class with some fighting ability. Meanwhile the nameless class was a boss class, equivalent to Baron], probably with some magic capability. The Baron looking class Battle Animations appear to be a dismounted King's Knight, definitely a placeholder. Fun fact, early on the TRS character page here linked Duke to Baron, so I was surprised to find out how average their stats were! Emperor Hardin (talk) 05:28, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Ballistician
Would you be able to get the default portrait for Ballistician from Fates? Are You Serious (talk) 06:57, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't. I don't even own the game =[ -- <font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 07:11, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

S Support Conundrum
Hi there! I am a newcomer of sorts to the Fire Emblem series and wanted to know if you could answer a question I had about Fire Emblem: Awakening.

If a character (say, Stahl) achieved S rank Support and got married to Sully, would it be possible for Stahl to achieve S rank with another character like Tharja or Olivia? Would Sully be able to achieve S rank with Frederick or Kellam? (I know it isn't possible to achieve S rank with all of these characters, it's just hypothetical).

Thank you and may the Sacred Stones be with you and all that!

Plasmaster (talk) 03:19, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Fire Emblem world ^^. I, to be honest, haven't played Awakening, so I can't answer your questions, but there are already pages that you might find your answers there: Support and Sully/Supports. If you have any more questions, it should be best that you leave them in the Forum and other wikians coming across can answer them for you.
 * May the Sacred Stones be with you and all that ^^ --<font color="#064">Khang (<font color="#064">talk ) 04:35, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * In Awakening, each character can only have one S-Support at a time.  So if Stahl achieves an S-Support with Sully, he can't have one with anyone else in that specific gamefile.  You can, however, have Stahl achieve a S-Support with Tharja or Olivia if you start a new game.  There is also an unlimited amount of A-Supports in the game, so it is possible for Stahl to have a S-Support with Sully and then have him A-Support both Tharja and Olivia.  I hope that helps, and may the the Sacred Stones be with you and all that as well!
 * -Fastesthe1 (talk) 04:59, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Heads up!
I changed around the games listed in the Spin Off and Related sections on the front page, since, as I noted, I didn't really understand why Advance Wars (a game we don't even cover beyond the one page) got such exposure on the front page compared to the actual full game (as opposed to BSFE, which is only a few maps) crossover. Sorry if I sounded rude or confrontational in my edit comment or here; it was more befuddlement really.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:21, November 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, I understand. I didn't pay attention as I did the spruce up for the main page last time. --  K h a n g  ( t a l k  ) 00:28, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

TCG Artwork cropping suggestions
Do you think you could crop one of these three: FE3 pirate, FE3 Galder Pirate, and FE4 Brigand? They seem like class pages that could use a good opening artwork.Emperor Hardin (talk) 01:37, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, I was doing the same with other classes as well anyway =] --  K h a n g  ( t a l k  ) 03:41, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome, that'd be great! Also the reason why I added the Galder version, is I like the artwork a little better, the axe wielded is different then the FE3 Fighter, and FE3 Barbarian artwork in the TCG. Emperor Hardin (talk) 05:11, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll get the Guardian, and Dark Knight(FE3 version), then maybe you can crop the sprite? Or you can just focus on the TCG art. Emperor Hardin (talk) 03:47, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, why not! =] --  K h a n g  ( t a l k  ) 04:47, November 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, they look really great! I uploaded the Guardian map image, I'll upload  Dark Knight by tomorrow/next morning. Emperor Hardin (talk) 06:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

A small problem with class set presentation
Hello there Khang, I have recently created some templates in order to better present the class set information for Fates. While everything has gone well so far, I have run into a little problem; if you were to take a look at the Marriage Sets section on Nyx's page, you will see that in cases where more than one marriage candidate is able to award the same class set to her, their names have been omitted. This is due to me not quite knowing exactly how to align the character names directly under their corresponding portraits; I have tried to troubleshoot the problem, but I am unable to find a solution to fix the issue. Might you have any idea as to how this can be resolved? Thank you very much for your help! MoroseLark User - Talk 05:55, December 20, 2015 (UTC)\
 * Edit: I would also like to mention that I've tried to utilise Wikia's built-in caption option with thumbnail images. While this does get the job done, presentation is not very pretty; this method creates unnecessary spaces around the images, causing them to appear separated. Also, the coding becomes very lengthy and not particularly accessible for the average Wikia editor. MoroseLark User - Talk 05:59, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

2 ideas I came up with, it's your call: --Khang (talk) 07:23, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) The easy and simple way, though the names will be removed this way: link the images directly to their pages, like so:
 * 2) Or if you find it necessary to place a name under the portrait, you can edit the template into something like this:
 * Thank you very much for the help! Also, how do I go about integrating that image-resizing code that you posted on my talk page into the template? MoroseLark User - Talk 08:17, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

I've created a separate template for it as I don't think it's a good idea to integrate into the class set template. Check it out and if you think it is useful, feel free to use it. I think it would save much more work than cropping the images using photo editors =]. -- Khang (talk) 14:29, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Your solution is perfectly in line with what I'm looking for; I have, however, taken the harder option of ripping the mini portraits of various Fates characters from the sprite sheets made available on the Spriters Resource before you replied... My apologies for the trouble I've caused you. :( In any case, I can still put your nifty little template to good use for the Avatar and the Awakening children characters. Once again, thank you very much for having been such a tremendous help! MoroseLark User - Talk 14:50, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

````Why did you delete my page?````
I don't mean to pry, but I just want to know, just an answer and I'll get out of your hair


 * I apologize for not leaving a reason earlier. The page you created should be a blog or at least belongs to the Fire Emblem Wiki namespace, not the main namespace. The wiki is meant to provide correct and useful information to readers via the main namespace, not to gather opinions or voting. Hope you understand. (Also, remember to sign your post or message with 4 tildes. Thanks) -- Khang (talk) 07:37, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Hello!
Quick question; why have you deleted a lot of the weapon stat templates I made?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:14, April 28, 2016 (UTC)

I put a lot of thought and work into those and they were well constructed. Actually, I believe you deleted all of them.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:16, April 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm sorry if this bothered you. I didn't delete them tbh, they were a big help while I was creating a centralized template for all games through Lua. In other words, I attempted to improve the templates you put a lot of efforts to make. I also made a forum to go into details why they need changing. Hope you understand ^^ -- Khang (talk) 14:32, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * What is "Lua?" Yes, I was very particular about the order of the various categories (which are all not present in every title) and the naming of the templates. What did you mean when you said you didn't delete them, can you clarify? They were deleted, as shown in both the log and the general activity feed. Thanks for the link to the forum, I will certainly check that out soon and give my feedback and suggestions. I'm glad to see that we have multiple admins again, welcome to our wiki. There have been quite a few big changes to the wiki since I've been active, so I hope you'll understand that I'm still in the transition period. I can see you are pretty good with code, and I'm glad we finally have some bots now (I lobbied hard for that way back when), so that's good. FE13 was especially cumbersome because nearly all the legacy characters got official English names and once the pages were moved, all those links had to be changed manually, one at a time lol. I wish we had a change link bot at that time. Anyway, see you around! =)--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:33, April 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Lua is an embeded language which is supported by Wikia to build templates.
 * Well yes, I deleted them, after all, they were all replaced with a new template and no longer used on any pages so I'd like to keep our wiki tidy by deleting what is not used. If you find any problems, I'm always willing to restore them.
 * Yep, we have a bot now, if you got some tasks which require a bot to do, please do tell me.
 * And I'd like to say thanks for all the hard works you did for the wiki. I may be considered a recent user who joined late compared to veterans such as yourself, so I'm willing to listen to what you have to share. Looking forwards to working with you ^^ -- Khang (talk) 00:20, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Template:Protect
I noticed that Template:Protect, a template I created a couple of years ago, is both completely white in background and in text color when viewed in monobook. I remember the background color of the template being light blue and the text color being black; however, I do not remember how to change the colors of these in a template (well, I somewhat know how, but I do not remember the site that can give me the font coding I need in terms of FFFFFF or 000000 or FF0000). Would you mind taking a look at it for me? --Thenewguy34 23:14, May 1, 2016 (UTC) EDIT: Never mind, I managed to figure it out, though it does look a little plain. --Thenewguy34 23:20, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

cipher questions
Hi, i know it not quite your focus, but could you say where the promotional cards should go? I really have no idea on those. plus, should the cipher content be on the respective characters page? aside from the cards images i mean.

Btw, i saw you changed the information content in format and page. Was that practical? Necessary,even?--187.112.114.107 14:59, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * The promotional cards for the old TCG got their own page separate from the sets, and this should apply to Cipher as well. (Also, an aside, I don't know which card game we have less coverage on...)--Otherarrow (talk) 16:01, May 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * Beats me. One thing i do know is that the pages of card list on the starter decks are for the booster series, and while it does have some of the cards, it still doesn't make it right.--187.112.114.107 16:11, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

"should the cipher content be on the respective characters page? aside from the cards images" - I don't see any problem.

"Btw, i saw you changed the information content in format and page. Was that practical? Necessary,even?" - Sorry, I don't quite get this part, could you be more specific? -- Khang (talk) 17:20, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

In that case, where it should be placed? It was just so neatly tidy there, to create a whole new page... It just seems a huge effort to the same result.
 * Not sure if I'm talking to the same person, anyways:
 * On the pages themselves, make a section for Cipher? Or create a subpage, like Marth/Cipher? While I prefer the latter choice, to keep Non-FE game content separate, I'd like to hear your thought if you had a good reason.
 * The old format, the table structure with so much information didn't render well enough on oasis skin and even worse on mobile, so I had to find a workaround for it. And with the card images included, the pages got quite long so I think it was best to split. --Khang (talk) 01:34, May 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * i'm not sure what the best option would be, since a while ago there was some character pages with that information, but was deleted, so i don't a have clear answer on this. ALTHOUGH i'd dare say that making a page for a tenth of the code in the card list wouldn't be worth it, and there IS some non-FE content like smash bros.
 * On the layout, are the images in the ideal size, or perhaps a reduction be appropriate?
 * And seriously, look the starter deck page, i very inclined to undo the changes.--186.212.16.207 02:21, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good to me.

A reduction in the image size or?

Okay, if you think something doesn't look fine, go ahead and make changes. -- Khang (talk) 03:08, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

added the cipher in some pages, come and check it to see if its good. Thx.
 * image size, of course. I'm unsure if they aren't too large or not.--177.204.82.185 00:54, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Ya, looks good to me. Well, I think this is the appropriate size since the layout and texts rely heavily on it, if I were to reduce the size, it would look like this: Show


 * Thank you. Should we make a rule for this? Like, if there's more than one card, then a section is made, if not we reduce them to the gallery? I don't know, man. Just sayin'. Think you call fill in the ones i missed?--179.178.102.10 01:17, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Okay..on second thoughts, I think we should change the way we display the section, I took the following reasons to consider: So I'm suggesting, instead of copying the card templates, just make a link to the card on the card list page like:
 * It indeed looks redundant to the page since the card images were already included in the gallery.
 * Making the section look exactly the same as a card list page, it's like an unnecessary duplication of the page which would make it hard to maintain the consistency between information if there were updates.
 * You don't want to do a tedious task like copying numerous bulks of code/templates from the card list page and paste it on the character pages, do you? Not to mention you will have to do so every time a new booster set is out.

Shiida is illustrated in the trading card game Fire Emblem Cipher with the following card: I made a tweak to the card template, just make a link like:  and pass the card number after the hashtag. Those who click the link will be moved to the card list page but will be scrolled down to where the corresponding card is. Objections? Suggestions? -- Khang (talk) 08:52, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Fire Emblem 0 (Cipher)
 * B01-004SR(+)
 * B01-005N
 * B01-006HN
 * B04-004N

It could be, especially if you think they're adding even more games to the set. Although we could try different approaches according to the rate of cards they're in.--179.178.102.10 13:39, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you understood what I was saying since you're not changing your edits at all, and I don't understand what you're saying either. -- Khang (talk) 15:06, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * I understood, and i meant using this or other method for the ones with many cards, and the ones less proeminent using a smash bros sticker-esque like approach.--179.178.102.10 15:28, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

I still couldn't catch up, pls do me a favor by linking me to a page where you think it best described what you were trying to say. -- Khang (talk) 16:00, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this would be an example?: https://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Anna_(Cipher)--179.178.102.10 16:54, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it's broke. You forgot to consider the toggle.--179.178.102.10 00:37, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so if you intend to cover all cards thoroughly, I'm going to update the card template to fit what we're doing, meaning: However, we still link to the card list page, for the sake of information consistency in case there were mistakes or updates. -- Khang (talk) 00:43, May 31, 2016 (UTC) I made a rough draft of the new card template: Template:Card/Sandbox, how does it look? -- Khang (talk) 01:29, May 31, 2016 (UTC) Looks good, but please look what I said above. Plus, I can't fill in absolutely everything, nor dedicate all my time to it. I have personal duties as well. But if I were to add the list for the starter decks, could you please not remove the promotional cards pictures from its pages?--179.178.102.101 04:23, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Removing the toggle.
 * Adding more fields for more details of the card.
 * I kinda meant more like this :http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Shiida#Sticker_Info--179.178.102.10 01:01, May 31, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think I finally got a hold of what you were saying, you want another simpler card template to display cards on character pages, like the Smash Bros Sticker template, with fewer information fields than those on card list pages. Correct? -- Khang (talk) 14:33, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * That is correct. Somewhat like the format the cards of the booster deck had before transferring them to the card list page. Still, you haven't answered my other question yet.--179.178.102.101 15:11, June 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * I see now, but as I mentioned before, I don't think we should add separate cards on character pages instead of just links to the respective cards on the card list pages, the most important reason is consistency: if you were to change a piece of text of a card on the character page, the respective card on the card list page would also need changing as well, which I find rather annoying.
 * What do you mean by removing promotional cards pics? -- Khang (talk) 15:56, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

See it for yourself: http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Emblem_0_(Cipher):_War_of_Darkness The guy that keep adding card pics put those when making the page
 * What am I supposed to see? And put what? -- Khang (talk) 05:06, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nevermind.--187.59.40.20 15:17, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Saw what you did with the character pages. Good idea. Why not make a card list page for the starter set though?--177.96.93.50 23:50, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Since there are only a couple of exclusive cards in starter decks, the rest are exactly the same as those of Booster Set, so I decided not to split the page. -- Khang (talk) 23:56, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Been thinkin' about it... I think we should refit the code on some card lists.--187.59.41.14 01:58, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Refit? You mean like removing redundant code? --Khang (talk) 07:02, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * More like adding. As in, retrofitting some to accomodate the illustrator, quote, skills, and so on.--177.40.27.167 13:54, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * I failed to see your point, the card template was already built to include such info fields. -- Khang (talk) 00:33, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Not the template. The C-O-D-E. As in the source code?--177.40.27.167 00:40, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * What to add with the code? Be more specific or I won't understand, or you could use my sandbox if needed. -- Khang (talk) 00:54, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * did you saw the sand box?--177.40.27.167 03:33, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. The card template? -- Khang (talk) 03:56, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * the card's source code. Compare it to the card list pages, and see the difference.--177.40.27.167 05:34, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay...your point is adding info to the empty fields, isn't it? If that was what you had been trying to tell me, I couldn't help because I don't know Japanese. -- Khang (talk) 07:16, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, for the love of... take a look at this:

Card |color = |image = |name = |No = |alt-image = |Affinities = |Class = |Dep = |Pro = |Att = |Rng = |Sup = |Illustrator =

and now at this:

Card |color = |name = |No = |Class = |Illustrator = |Affinities = |Notes = |Quote = |Skill 1 = |Skill 2 = |Skill 3 = |Support Skill = |Support Skill 2 = |Dep = |Pro = |Att = |Rng = |Sup =

see what i mean?--177.40.30.79 18:31, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ohh...that's what you meant. Yea, card lists of Booster Set 1 -> 4 have been missing those fields since I changed the card template after their creation. Sure sure, go ahead and add them as you work on those pages. -- Khang (talk) 00:48, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

unused dialogue fates
The are some unused endgame quotes for characters exclusive to one route :https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2016/05/21/fe-fates-localization-endgame-character-dialogue-comparisons-all/ should we add to the quote page or not? Another thing, in which should they be on the script page? The used ones, as there are some missing and i have no freakin idea where to put them.--179.178.96.136 05:12, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * I see no problem, go ahead. About their placement, I'm not the right person to ask tbh, so do as you think best? -- Khang (talk) 05:46, May 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm. You could create an "Unused Quotes" section on the individual quote pages and add them in? Do ensure that the chapter(s) that the quotes are derived from are clearly indicated though. MoroseLark User - Talk 05:57, May 22, 2016 (UTC)

I've been tagging unused next to them. That okay with you.--189.115.110.201 02:01, May 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ya, looks good. Thank you, keep up the good work =] -- Khang (talk) 02:42, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

Akaneia Map
Sorry for bothering you (I have no idea how to edit the map myself) but I found a problem with the interactive map of Akaneia. I noticed that you included the island of Pyrathi as territory of the kingdom of Akaneia, while it is a independent nation. (This might be due to your borders coming from New Mystery, as Pyrathi's king is slain back in Shadow Dragon).--Otherarrow (talk) 03:06, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

please do fates too. on that thought, should one be made for awakening? cause even though it much later its still the same world.--177.40.61.38 03:21, May 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Corrected. Thanks for the note.
 * Yes, I will, though I'm not sure if everything will be correct since I still haven't played Awakening and Fates. Pls do inform me if something is wrong. -- Khang (talk) 08:29, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Uhh....
I am pretty sure an admin can move a page without leaving a redirect, meaning the entire edit history would not be tied to a disambig page. Just as a footnote... --00:17, May 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Corrected, thanks. I forgot the page moving custom =] -- Khang (talk) 00:27, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

GradientBG
Hey KhangND, I tried to set up your awesome Template:GradientBG on one of my wikis by simply copying over its content, but the gradient simply won't show up --not even on the template page itself. Now, I keep wondering how to make it work. Did I miss something? Do I have to set up additional stuff? Do I need an extra extension or similar. Sorry for bothering you, but I'm pretty new to this --still learning. ;)

Would be very grateful for every tiny hint you could give me.

Cheers! HolyCrap WOTF (talk) 07:10, May 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, the template does not need any extra extension or additional stuff, you just need to use it right. I'd love to help but I couldn't if I didn't know what you did wrong. Maybe a link to the place where you test it? -- Khang (talk) 09:08, May 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi there, thanks for the quick reply! :) Funnily enough, I figured it out myself by now. Was just a simple typo I missed even after proof reading for the 10th+ time. Must have been way too tired when I set it up. Anyways, thanks for your time and effort. Nice to see that there are people eager to help. :) I hope you don't mind if I "steal" from your template. The wiki I'm planning to use it is mtg.wikia. We're currently in re-build phase after the wiki was neglected for a long time and your template would help us to make the wiki as awesome-looking as yours! :) Cheers! HolyCrap WOTF (talk) 18:35, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * You're free to use it. Good luck with your wiki. =] -- Khang (talk) 05:07, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

Script-ying
Since you have played shadow dragon, can you help format the script pages while setting up the links in the chapter pages? Thanks in advance.--187.59.40.20 16:11, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Adding to my to-do list. -- Khang (talk) 16:16, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, i was thinking of handling them while you just polish. But if that's what you like it...--187.59.40.20 02:26, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Since I'm at it, it would be better if I handled all. I'm kind of lazy to revise someone else's edit. =) -- Khang (talk) 03:08, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Hey. Saw what you did. Good job. But i think you forgot the epilogue. Not being being too much to ask, could you see the radiant dawn next? It is massively disorganized, with some being divided even further.--187.59.92.18 14:55, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Will add to my to-do list. =] -- Khang (talk) 16:51, June 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * What about the sd epilogue? And shouldn't we add cutscenes to scripts as well?--179.179.5.144 15:49, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Added. Yea, we should but to the chapter pages is more suitable. -- Khang (talk) 00:09, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Not sure about that. After all, we'd be doing this for some games now. Anywho, shouldn't we unify the base conversations with the scripts properly?--179.179.2.169 14:59, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Which games you're refering to? I may not be aware.
 * That makes sense, fixing them up. -- Khang (talk) 00:36, June 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * Awakening and fates, for example. It just makes more sense.
 * You skipped chapter 2 and 3, i think.
 * On other note, should we consider the amiibo visits part of their scripts or their quote page? because i'm pretty sure it's the latter.--179.179.2.169 00:49, June 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * If you notice something I missed, pls go ahead and add them. I'll resume this when I have more time.
 * No idea about the amiibo, do as you see fit or inquire some other users if you're unsure. -- Khang (talk) 07:52, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

List of Characters in Fates format issues
Ah, I apologize for the undo earlier. It seems the issue pertains to users of Safari. On Safari, the formatting makes them look like this: []. At least on Firefox it looks fine. Just thought I'd let you know.—Nauibotics (talk) 22:36, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the image you linked does not exist, I can't know the issue. Still the page looks fine to me on Edge, Chrome and Firefox. Maybe it's an issue due to the old version of Safari? -- Khang (talk) 00:56, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's only applied to Safari. It's fine on Firefox on my computer so its not a macintosh problem.—Nauibotics (talk) 01:40, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to bother :P
I'm new to this so I was wandering about the misnamed file I added, Did I had to name it? Also, Could I send you the images of the  Enemy only weapons you haven't implemented?Lokoxam (talk) 03:32, June 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, you have to, at least a name that we could understand. Just upload the images here, to the gallery below and I'll have a look:


 * Images added to their articles. Feel free to edit next time if something is missing from the page, just remember to rename the images you uploaded to something more meaningful. -- Khang (talk) 03:05, June 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you so very much for adding them! I will keep the rules on my mind. Loko 18:59, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Elise
I hope I am not too late; can you protect Elise? I cannot make changes without inciting an edit war. --Thenewguy34 01:32, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Protected for 2 weeks only since the protection level is the highest. -- Khang (talk) 02:11, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Two weeks seems rather excessive, given that this is probably something that would blow over in a few days. One thing I do not see in dispute is the removal of a piece of trivia on the page mentioning Elise's age and marriage.  I am almost certainly sure that Elise is stated to be thirteen somewhere in the game, so the piece of trivia regarding concerns over Elise's age and marriage should be removed.

I do not understand why mentioning Elise's English voice actress was enough to start an edit war, but maybe that discussion is best on Talk:Elise. --Thenewguy34 02:21, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again.
Thanks again for helping out with the Falchion edit war thing. What you implimented was exactly what I had in mind. Sorry if I acted out of line there.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:18, June 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Pay it no mind, in fact, you did right. =] -- Khang (talk) 04:35, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Good job on the Falchion page! Thanks! :)
I LOVE what you did with the Falchion page. Thanks for making it SO classy :)
 * No problem, but next time, please discuss on the talk page if someone else disagrees with you, rather than keep editing the page as your own will, it will raise a conflict and worse. -- Khang (talk) 01:35, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Should we do with the yato too? Because there's a whooping 7 forms to it.--177.40.30.79 01:42, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, what we did with the Falchion page depicts the weapon's different designs from games, not different forms of 1 weapon in the same game. Oh and "7"? It would make the infobox look odd. -- Khang (talk) 02:50, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

More cipher questions and drama cds
Hi, i made this new post so that the new one doesn't get overloaded with new stuff. To the question: should cipher exclusive characters receive a list of appeareances? Seems redundant if you ask me. In other matters, there's the fact that an article for the awakening drama cds needs to be made, as it's been lacking for some reason.--189.58.172.141 16:57, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * On that same note, I've been pondering listing the "Cipher originals" separately on the nav template, presumable at the top before the listing by series? As it is, they are just kinda mixed into the sets where they appear.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:12, July 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Why, I don't think it's redundant and we have been doing the same to other characters anyway.
 * Yea, sure, if you know about it, go ahead and make one.
 * Right, they should have some special treatment. Though I'm not sure if that's the best option, the cipher nav looks a bit messy to me. Still, I can't think of a better one, so yeah, let's have it as that for now. I should upgrade the overall nav template for more flexible options I guess -- Khang (talk) 00:41, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe at least include a asterick with a note on top saying "indicates character unique to Cipher" or something, if the separate bit is undoable? But yeah, that template is rather messy, especially since almost every set has Fates and Akaneia content of some form (even if just promo cards), meaning some pages are linked pretty much every section)--Otherarrow (talk) 01:27, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's move our discussion to somewhere else. -- Khang (talk) 05:20, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * But you see, the problem is, this is different from making an article related to another page. There's categories and links and placements and all that stuff. I'd much prefer that you create it and me or someone else take it from there.--177.96.88.99 14:53, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * My problem is, I have no idea about its existence, let alone the information. So I can't help. -- Khang (talk) 23:24, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * No need. Just prepare the layout and i'll handle the rest.--189.58.124.162 02:09, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

Can I get your opinion on something?
I've explained the situation and a potential solution to the "NoE names for SD" thing here, and I would like if you looked it over and gave your input? If you like, I could make a forum page about it instead to sort things out better.--Otherarrow (talk) 13:37, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

Family trees
Hi, i was discussing with otherarrow, and we agreed it would be good to make family trees for the royal families and such, can you make a model to be worked on? Also, if you can give your opinion, i would be grateful.--189.58.124.162 02:13, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yea, I like the idea too. I need some time tho. -- Khang (talk) 07:04, July 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Seen the code. It's... okay? I guess? Regardless, shall a separate page be made for trees, or they just go on the countries pages or something akin to that?--177.40.29.196 14:45, July 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer a separate page, which lists all family trees from all games. It's much easier to view that way and we don't have to sort them out, but let's hear others. -- Khang (talk) 15:27, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Just a Question from 24.170.227.174
Hi, KhangND. You told me to come to you if I have any questions. As you know, I can't upload any images because I'm not a registered member. However, I've found a Photobucket album that's full of official TRS character sprites, including many that we don't have on this wiki. I can't seem to find these images anywhere else, since there doesn't seem to be an official website for TRS... If it's not breaking any rules, I was wondering if it would be okay for me to link it to you.--24.170.227.174 20:03, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh sure, please do. -- Khang (talk) 00:51, July 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Here is the Link. Since it's Photobucket, there will be some annoying ads and thus might be kind of slow as a result, but I think it's worth it because there's so many sprites. Thanks for accepting my offer to help! --24.170.227.174 01:57, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * That's nice, I'd love to upload, but here's a problem I need your help (could be pretty much to ask), I haven't completed the game, so I can't know all the characters just yet, could you help me compile a list of chars missing from the wiki, including their names and the image links, so that I can upload them accordingly. For example:
 * Sennet -
 * Tia -
 * Thanks in advance. -- Khang (talk) 04:13, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks in advance. -- Khang (talk) 04:13, July 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay! I know all of the characters because I'm very knowledgable about TRS. I'll compile a list of the character sprites missing from the wiki. Where should I make the list? Here in this discussion? If so, here are a few to start with (I'll link more after your response):


 * Tia as a Cleric (This is labeled in the Photobucket as being Teeta, but I don't see any difference between her and Tia, so I'm not sure if the labeling is correct or if it should be put in Tia or not, since there's no page specifically for Teeta (except Kranion which is about her dragon form). Either way, it's definitely an unused portrait.)  Link.


 * Tia as a Cleric (This is definitely the portrait used in the game. It's her Shaman of Earth outfit, equivalent to the cleric outfits that Enteh, Katri, and Neyfa wear as their main outfits. It appears in the final chapter when she is chained to the Altar of Gerxel before Richard rescues her. When she obtains the ☆Seiken Leda, she switches back to her normal outfit and this cleric outfit isn't seen again.)  Link.


 * Elette (She is Ezekiel's wife who appears exclusively in the Leteena Event, just to clarify. This is her only portrait in the game, since she is rather minor and only appears in a series of events that is basically a romantic subplot between Kreiss and Leteena.)  Link.


 * Yuni as a lady (This appears exclusively in the epilogue, but only if Xeno rescued her from the slave trader instead of Attrom rescuing Lyria. As Yuni's page mentions, she was traumatized by a tragic event on her birthday that caused her to dress in men's clothes and put dirt on her skin. This is what she looks like when she doesn't have the dirt on her skin and wears a feminine outfit, basically her cleaned up look. The scene it appears in is basically when she finally comes to terms with her past and moves on.)  Link.


 * Arkis as a Dark Soldier (In the event that the player goes to Map 26B, Rentzen will apprend Arkis as he tries to flee with Rina. Rentzen takes Rina as a hostage, forcing Arkis to betray Runan. While fighting for Rentzen, Arkis is forced to disguise himself as a dark soldier so that Runan's army will not recognize him. This sprite appears while Arkis is an enemy during that chapter, before Rina speaks to him and recruits him back into the player's team.)  Link.


 * Sun (This is a group of portraits that are all of Sun. I'm not sure under which circumstances that some of them appear, if they're used at all, but at least one of the two in black are her portrait from the epilogue, when she finally becomes a member of the Arless Black Knights. One of the purple ones is her default portrait, but I don't remember which one it is. Sun doesn't appear much in cutscenes, which doesn't help, but all of them are definitely sprites of her.)  Black 1,  Black 2,  Purple 1,  Purple 2.


 * Tia as a Leda Princess (The first one is her default portrait in the game. The second one is either unused or an alternate portrait that I don't remember. Either way, it is also of Tia as a Leda Princess. I've labeled the link to it as Link 2 (unused portrait) to avoid confusion about which is her default portrait.)  Link 1,  Link 2 (unused portrait).


 * Kate (This is her default portrait. It is the only one of her in the game.)  Link.


 * Estelle (This is her default portrait. It is the only one of her in the game.)  Link.


 * Zeek (The first one, which is in black, is his portrait in the game. The second one, which is in red, is an unused portrait of Zeek.)  Link 1 (black),  Link 2 (red).


 * Here are some to work with. I'll be back with some more a little later. I have something I need to do IRL. --24.170.227.174 13:46, July 23, 2016 (UTC)

Japanese Names of Fates Locations
Heya, just a question I've had. So we've had that one Anonymous user who has been providing most of the translations for the Fates pages. While most of them I have no issues with I've been wondering about your opinion of the pages that contain Hoshido and Nohr's Japanese names.

He changed any title that had either Byakuya and Anya, the phonetic pronunciation of the place names, and White Night and Dark Night respectively, their literal translations. I'm not really an expert on Japanese aside from some minimal 1-year education in the subject, but wanted to know how to display their Japanese names. I had a short discussion with him, but I decided to not argue with him about the subject since he was pretty firm on his stance and wasn't going to start an editing war because of my own uncertainty. I'm fine with whatever you decide but I figured that I'd get an admin's opinion on the matter so I know. I only bring it up because having this literal translations of the locations doesn't sit well for me in terms of their place names, but perhaps there is something I do not know about Japanese to make the call. Anyways, I appreciate if you would look onto this and come to a conclusion so I have something to come back onto in case anything happens. Thanks!—Nauibotics (talk) 06:15, July 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, imo, I think it kinda makes sense when he wanted to provide literal translations for those since their JP names still contain meaning. Besides, it's not really a problem if you take the Tokyo article on wikipedia as an example, ppl still provide a literal translation for it and it has been persistent for ages, even though it's a location name. So, in short, I'm cool with that. If you have better reasons, I'm willing to listen. -- Khang (talk) 07:46, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well I just wasn't sure at all since that anon had his own reason for constantly reverting it without really explaining it himself. he just kinda did it because he felt he was right and I really don't have that sort of knowledge to either confirm or deny him unless its something more in my caliber like today with all the Personal Skill names in Japanese or changing his "Japanese Bow" translations to "Yumi". But yeah, I know what they literally translate to and it is notated in the Etymology sections anyways, but he was being really fussy about the whole "putting the literal translations in the title". I think the other problem is because all 3 of the nations of Fates uses Kanji rather than katakana for the names like in previous games.

Anyways, I'm a little unclear about your verdict, but thanks for responding to this so quickly.—Nauibotics (talk) 07:56, July 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't have any sort of thing as "verdict", being an admin doesn't mean I can disrepect others' opinions. Just saying I'm fine with the literal translations he did for the Nohr and Hoshido pages. If you still disagree with him, you can keep talking it out with him until you both come to a compromise. If he's persistent and refuses to listen, you can inform me and I'll give him a warning. -- Khang (talk) 08:32, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks for your help! For now I'll change the three nations to their Romanized Japanese names (as it seems that most official sources romanize it as such) but I still kept the literal translations for them in there as well. I'm not sure if I should do it to the chapter pages because it seems kind of pointless to have two variations of the titles so I'll leave those be for now until I can "talk" to the anonymous user, though him being one makes this whole process harder. Unfortunately I do not think he knows how to use these Talk Pages properly as the last time I did, he only responded via the Summary when he posted afterwards so I had to track his comment to even reply to it. Anyways, thanks once again!—Nauibotics (talk) 09:52, July 23, 2016 (UTC)