User talk:Otherarrow

For past messages, see here, here, here, here, and here. Thanks

For messages left here on this talk page, I will respond on this talk page. It gets confusing and tiresome having to jump from talk page to talk page to read a conversation or add a comment.--Otherarrow 04:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Since you archived my question...
It never got answered. Can you read this and tell me if I missed any grammar mistakes? Late Arrival

--Thenewguy34 11:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * You did fine. I didn't say anything because I had nothing to say.--Otherarrow 16:21, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype
1. Any reason for a Murdock sub-archetype? Can't we just add them to Camus?

2. Also, would Siglud qualify as an Oifey, since he also starts out promoted, and, though is outclassed by other units, can hold his own through the rest of the game (until he dies)?

--Thenewguy34 22:56, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. I felt they didn't have the same "my master right or wrong" thing that Camus and his ilk had, but upon inspection, it seems there is no real difference, and I may be wrong. 2.Siglud is a lord. You have to use him, no matter what. Whether he counts regardless is up to you.--Otherarrow 23:13, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

But, would Cellica from FE2 qualifies as a Nyna and Midayle from FE4 qualifies as a Gordin also? 23:39, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cellica is a Lord. Also, Midayle isn't young or inexperienced, and also rides a horse.--Otherarrow 23:41, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Uhh? Eirika is in the Nyna Archetype list and she's a lord also.

Archetype page in Nyna section: "Eirika notably has a brother who also survives and is also a lord, but still fits the Archetype."

23:59, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then remove her. If we counted lords, we'd be adding every lord and then some. Geez.--Otherarrow 00:02, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Why remove her? I think she still fits. 00:15, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't people like Jeorge ( Snipers ex. Klein, Igrene, Louise, and Innes), Caeda ( Non-Lord princesses/princes who are playable ex. Lillina, L'arachel, Joshua) Matthis ( More Balanced cavalier than a Cain and Abel ex. Lowen, Franz) Arron & Samson ( a pair in which you can only get one of ex. Echidna and Bartre, Karel and Harken, Gotoh and Nagi), and Rickard ( a theif/theif promotion after getting the Julian ex. Cath, Astol, Legualt, Jaffar, Renault) be Archetypes?
 * Jeorge, maybe not, since "prepromoted sniper" is a bit too general. (Not to mention we are currently using Jeorge for "Noble or plot important person in disguise as a commoner") Shiida? Maybe. Might be a bit too general. For instance, 3, 4, and 8 are just full of royalty and would just inflate the list with barely related characters. Arran and Samson? Already there! Rickard seems too much like "Thief who isn't the Julian", and I stated before that I don't really think we should make an archetype solely about characters who don't fit into other archetypes. The Frey (I refuse to call it the Matthis because Matthis is as balanced as a tooth pick) falls into that same category.
 * EDIT: Thenewguy34 makes a good point too.--Otherarrow 00:34, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

These are more like lists than archetypes. They don't have any other connections with each other except for one, except for Arran and Samson. --Thenewguy34 00:31, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Jeorge i didn't know was already used and Arran and Samson were there now but not then. I also agree that the others aren't that reasonable, and that Matthis is as balanced as a toothpick, but now i have reasonable ones. Mercanary group ( ex. Dieck's Mercanaries, Geik's Mercanaries. Greil Mercanaries.) Linde ( A young female mage, kinda the female version of Merric ex. Lillina, Nino, Lute) Rickard ( a more reasonable version) or you could call it Dolph ( someone captive in the story and is sometimes recruitable even when captive ex. Lillina, Tana, Nephenee) are at least a little more reasonable, right?
 * I don't like the proposed Linde, which is just "girl mage" or "Merric, but a girl". With the exception of the Greil Mercenaries (depending on how you count Ike), the Mercenary Group seems more like a footnote to the Ogma archetype (which is what it currently is), since the leader and most important member of most of these groups, Ogma, Dieck, Gerik, etc, are Ogmas, and the other members are usually just following the Ogma. I do wonder if "unit who is locked in a cell" is really something we could pull off either. Most of those characters aren't really related aside from being locked up at some point. EDIT:--Otherarrow 00:54, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * P These are the best ones I came up with Wolf / Sedgar ( anyone who has 1 or moar extreme growth rates ex Karel) Palla ( the oldest pegasus sister, usually the highest level ex Juno, Fiora, Syrene) and there should be one where Ewan, Saul, and Sain would be in but i dont know who

The Wolf/Sedgar archetype isn't something I really think we could pull off, since they're not really that similar besides the growth rates. It just looks like a list of units with high growth rates. The Palla one again is again just a list of oldest pegasus, but I've been wondering if we rewired the conditions, if we could get an archetype about that. This next one appears to be talking about all of these "womanizer" units who have sexual lust for women, but I'm not sure if we could actually pull that off as an archetype, as they're not that similar other than personality. P.S.: Ewan is just a child. Cut him some slack. Please put everything else on Talk:Archetype. --Thenewguy34 00:28, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I only added Ewan becuase he said he had a lot of girlfriends the other 2 just try but fail, but i think you have a point plus extreme growth rate = growth over 100%

But they don't have anything similar other than one trait. (By the way, Ewan was just bragging to try to impress Ross, I highly doubt that those girls harbor crushes on Ewan). Therefore, these are not archetypes. --I&#39;m trying to run expansion projects, read such content on my profile. 23:04, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

OK i deleted all the pointless s***. Also Kurthnaga isn't an Est as he has pretty good stats that grow into great stats. Same with Pelleas he has good stats and mediocore growths.
 * Also can you put signature when you leave a message on Talkpages and Forums like this ~ so that we know who wrote this message and plus you can't delete other people's comments on Talkpages, sorry. 16:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * i dont think it would matter because i dont have an account =P

Most people don't. You just have to type four tildes, and Anon's can have Sigs also, it just keeps track on other users in case don't know who replied the message. 17:23, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

What is a tilde and a sig and who is Anon?

nvm about the tild part i just saw what it was while putting the question in =P 76.19.52.157 19:14, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just a reminder, but this is not a forum. Please move this to Forum:Index to use a forum or Talk:Archetype to proceed the archetype discussion. --Thenewguy34 19:54, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

I want to make a Fire Emblem game and it has three lords of the nine royal playable units. all others are in the Jeorge archetype. Am I obsessed with that Archetype?

Poll
When is a new poll being put up?--Thenewguy34 18:27, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Featured Articles
Umm... I got a question? When the rules say for voting with For and Against on under the nomination. Should it be one vote (either For or Against) from one user have to put it in and they cannot vote the other one with a different Opinion in this one: Fire Emblem Wiki:Votes for Featured Articles. And I see the anon (71.187.189.217) have returned and I can't tell if he doesn't know hes an IP/Unregistered User or probably didn't understand the rules.

"For each vote under a nomination, be sure to put either For, if you second the nomination, or Against, if you oppose the nomination, at the beginning of your vote! The Total will be calculated as Votes For subtracted by Votes Against."

02:39, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think that if someone disagrees with a nomination, they have the right to say so even if they voted for something else. If someone nominates a subpar article after you nominated a good article, would it be fair that you would be unable to dispute the other nomination because you already voted for? One vote for is to stop people from nominating or voting for multiple articles, which would just be problematic.--Otherarrow 04:06, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I created a new poll for the main page!
Which game do you want released overseas the most?
 * Fire Emblem: Gaiden FE2 (with Alm and Celica or however you spell her name)
 * Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu (FE4, with Siglud and Celice)
 * Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (FE5, with Leaf as the main character)
 * Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi (FE6, with Roy)
 * Fire Emblem: Shin Monshō no Nazo ~Hikari to Kage no Eiyū~(FE12- Marth's 2nd story)
 * Fire Emblem: Kakusei (FE13, the upcoming game with Krom and the holy kingdom of Iris)

Since the current poll has been around for so long. Should we put it up?--Thenewguy34 13:41, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Policy
I might ask you to block me for a period of the time (preferably 7 days, or even a month) in the next couple of months. This is to enforce me punishing myself for dumb acts in real life. I'm not asking yet, I'm just letting you know.--Thenewguy34 01:07, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Seal of Approval
I need your seal of approval so I know you are going to do this at my request. All you need to know is that I'm punishing. Yes, I am indeed sane. --Thenewguy34 22:13, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do I need to block you again? I think at most, your only wrong doing is being a tad bit too harsh on newer users. And even that isn't enough to be punishable. You say you did something in real life, but that is none of my business and I don't see how that would affect you editing here.--Otherarrow 23:43, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Foobar
What is with all of this  stuff? All I see is  or  since the wikia community was shut down an hour ago, where all I saw was the word "foobar". Do you know why, or would I be better to take this question to community central? --Thenewguy34 12:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Update
Never mind. It just got fixed. But what was that all about?--Thenewguy34 12:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. It looked to me like vandalism.--Otherarrow 13:31, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Permission for Admin Rights?
Community Central:Adoption requests#Fire Emblem Wikia

Brandon Rhea said I maybe have to ask you about for getting admin rights for this wiki and I wanted to help out for getting ride of some of unnecassery pages for housekeeping, deleting Spam, and delete Vandalism, and plus block any user who done horrible on the wiki. Is that ok?

01:56, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why you want admin rights. It's not like there is too much for me to handle or anything. Also, you going and begging the higher ups for admin rights behind my back isn't getting you any points in my book. I'm starting to not trust you enough for admin rights really. Isn't this the second time you've tried to beg someone into giving them to you? If the time comes when we need another admin, I will be sure to let everyone know.--Otherarrow 02:07, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not actually begging, I wanted to help out the wiki, I get confused sometimes. I'll message to the Community Central about it to make sure. 02:15, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your enthusiasm to help out, but trying to ask for rollback or admin rights isn't the way to get those things. (unless it's a case where the Wiki's admins are inactive, and an admin is needed, but that is a different story) It gives off the impression that you want those things because you think you will have more "power" over the wiki, which I hope is not your motivation. Continue editing as you have been doing, you are doing a fine job after all, and when the time comes for another moderator or such, I will be sure to consider you. Don't worry about it.--Otherarrow 02:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Being an admin is not for everyone. This is my opinion, but I've seen your edits and I think you're a little far off from being viable. But that doesn't mean I'm any better. I'm not fit to be admin either; yhe whole reason I'm admin of the Chemistry Wiki is because I'm watching over the ghost town (and I also know about the subject, which was why I chose chemistry). Everyone wants admin rights but doesn't realize how much work it can be, even if being admin of this wiki is easier than some like the more active wikis like Skyrim or Community Central.--Thenewguy34 11:00, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

67.78.13.210
(He hasn't created a profile, which is why the wikia says the page doesn't exist)

He keeps vandalizing (removing all content) from pages, and then he undoes his revisions. Personally, I find it annoying. Is this viable enough for him to be blocked?--Thenewguy34 20:31, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. The fact that he is undoing his own vandalism seems strange. If he starts back up again, I'll block him. Sorry about that.--Otherarrow 20:41, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Read post
Template Talk:Needimage --Thenewguy34 00:45, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Needquote Template
Why was that template deleted? I was going to put up one when I found that the template was deleted a couple of months ago. --Thenewguy34 20:39, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because pages don't actually need quotes. While quotes are nice, it's not an actual requirement, and not having a quote isn't as much of a problem as not having a image. Not to mention, the template was barely used and was unnecessarily huge.--Otherarrow 21:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:I mean "top of the page" quotes, which is what the original template was made for. The sections with death, final chapter, and recruitment quotes are all good, and I recommend them. But they are still not as pressing, at least to me, as not having a image, so if you do want a new "need quotes", I wouldn't have it be as large as the needs image one. The last thing we need is someone to make a new character page, slap both templates on, and have the templates take up the majority of the page length. Some of the smaller pages are barely cutting it with the size of the need image one.--Otherarrow 21:32, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Top Content
That thing on the navigation bar? It doesn't link to anything. Are we using it, or is it there for show? --Thenewguy34 23:17, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you are talking about. Whatever it is doesn't show up in Monobook, the skin that I use and recommend to everyone. I guess it is there for show?--Otherarrow 23:48, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about the New Wikia Look. Switch to that and you'll know what I'm talking about. --Thenewguy34 23:50, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, that doesn't do anything and I have no clue where it came from. I'd just ignore it.--Otherarrow 00:32, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Definitions
Can you explain to me what the two definitions are, wiki-wise:


 * Banskipping


 * Housekeeping

--Thenewguy34 10:17, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Banskipping is exactly what it sounds like: Someone skipping being blocked somehow and editing (usually vandalizing) again. Housekeeping is just things like deleting pages marked for deletion, double redirects, and the like. Why do you need to know?--Otherarrow 12:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering. --Thenewguy34 11:09, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

184.47.49.116
This IP has been bugging me ever since I reported him for vandalizing pikmin.wikia.com. If he continues to bug me on this site, can you please block him? I personally do not like it when people troll or start edit wars. --Thenewguy34 22:35, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I already blocked him for vandalism.--Otherarrow 22:38, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

New Template Adding to this Wiki
I did create a template for Main Space Talk Pages and I wanted to make some reminders about the talk page by using Sigs, also make a note for incase if there anything that doesn't looks like belong in talk pages and belong to forums, and add about No Necropoisting, just incase. So what do you think?

User:King Marth 64/Sandbox/Template:Talk

02:38, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that posting that template on all the talk pages would be something we could actually be able to do, and personally, I think it'd look a bit odd. I guess I could see a "not a forum" template that is posted on offending user's talk pages reminding them of talk page policy, but the people who'd need that would probably just ignore it anyway. Sorry.--Otherarrow 02:48, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I got that idea from here from an another wiki and they posted it in Main Space Talk pages, so I just showing just incase and I am not talking about User Talkpages, I am talking about putting on Article Talkpages. I see a bunch of comments in Talkpages didn't have a Sig which some of them are monies and few are registered users and I am not sure if they saw the Talkpage note ("This is a talk page. Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ ) or the signature button"). 02:58, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you meant putting it on article talk pages. That's the problem. You know how many article talk pages there are? Potentially as many as there are articles. Do you want to be the one who goes to every single talk page just pasting that thing? Probably not. Also, again, this is just me, but I think having a big template on the top of a talk page that isn't a user page is kinda strange looking. And like you said, they already ignore/don't see the thing that is on the note, so how would they be able to see something that only shows up as code during editing? One more thing, a reminder, just because another wiki is doing something doesn't mean we have to do it, and vice versa. We are all special little snow flakes, with different communities and such.--Otherarrow 03:16, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

I did checked someone did reminded to other users to use sig. 1, 2, and 3. And I did marked a lot of Talk pages and Forums with the Unsigned Template. 03:22, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

We already have a polivies page, this template is unnecessary. Also, this template is rather large, which was the reason Otherarrow deleted the first Template: Needquote template to begin with. So I wouldn't complain about it. --Thenewguy34 10:00, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

April Fools Joke for Homepage
I got a question, what april fools joke are you going to make this year for the homepage since you did the This Guy Wiki last year? I got an idea of a new one:

Dragons Wiki, Swordsman Wiki, or Ira Wiki 07:29, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't planning on doing on. Last Year was pretty much spur of the moment, and I don't feel up to doing it again. So sorry, but no.--Otherarrow 07:19, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. 07:29, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Do something ridiculous. I once thought of ringing my neighbor's doorbell at 5:00 a.m. and saying, "April Fools!" --Thenewguy34 14:09, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

New Trailer
THERE IS A NEW TRAILER!!!!! As I am not a tech wizard, I do not know how to put it onto the site though. In the trailer, It has stuff about marriage and the duel fights.

There is a time for all things, and the end of a thing is better then the beginning. 11:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC) (Sorry, still have the same signiture)
 * I've seen it!--Otherarrow 14:37, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me where to find it? To put it on the site, use

Information that comes after the phrase "Context=" -- Thenewguy34 14:47, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Merging Axe Knight
Someone removed the merge template because it hadn't been merged at that point. If you want to merge it, then do so. --Thenewguy34 16:44, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean Axe Paladin and Great Knight, right? You think I should do it? OK then.--Otherarrow 16:46, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Mist
Somebody uploaded two images into her gallery that are similar to an image already there. These two images need to be deleted. --Thenewguy34 10:27, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I removed them from the pages they were present on, so I'll tell you them here. They are:
 * 1)  File:1 076.png 
 * 2)  File:1 079.png 

--Thenewguy34 10:35, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

hi otherarrow it`s me naglfar94 im sorry i did not know that the image`s went in a certain order im new here im new period to updating wiki`s so im not sure how to work everything.but if you can help me that would be great i became a member to add more info,image`s,quotes and stats and to fix the stubs.but im glad to see you are helping im just new here but all thoes image`s i added helped right?76.250.231.108 00:04, April 7, 2012 (UTC)naglfar94
 * Nah, it's OK. Sorry if I snapped at you without knowing it. The images did help, I did notice that we didn't really have much from The Complete and limited from Treasure. However, a few of the Treasure ones I had to delete, because they were images we already had, just not together (for example, we had the Treasure image of Radney, and of Roddlevan, so we don't need the Treasure scan of the same arts for them, but together. If that makes sense). If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.--Otherarrow 02:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Double Spacing Sentences
How come, when I double space to separate sentences (this is how formal writing is typed), it only double spaces in the coding when I publish it? I can double space every sentence in an article, but when I publish it, such change only applies to the coding; it still looks one-spaced. --Thenewguy34 10:53, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? I am not sure. Don't worry about it?--Otherarrow 13:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Featured Article Template
Should we create a featured article template so we can keep track of which articles have been featured? After all, other wikias do it, and it's pretty annoying to have to look in the history of the main page every time. --Thenewguy34 15:13, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't have to do that though. We keep a list of who wins each time. As for a template, what do you mean, like a archive template, or a big template we paste on the articles or something?--Otherarrow 15:15, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

You can see what I'm thinking of here. If you think it should look different, just say so on the talk page. --Thenewguy34 15:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything.--Otherarrow 15:55, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I removed it, but here it is if you want to see it:


 * Yeah, I would probably like any sort of Featured Article template, if we must have one, to be non-intrusive, kinda like how the Final Fantasy Wiki just has a crystal in the corner? Thanks anyway.--Otherarrow 00:04, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man
i'm hopefully back for a while, just been a very busy year (or two?). I don't think much has changed so I was just going to ease myself back into remembering the categories and the wiki code stuff, but it's already flooding back to me, so I think I should be fine. :)

I'll give you a buzz if I have any questions though.

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  20:35, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Fan works
Why did you delete the page Fire Emblem Photo Projects?
 * Because this wiki is not the place for fan made projects. Sorry.--Otherarrow 00:29, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

"Golem" Page
Could you do something about the "Golem" page? The author just put "Golems are something TRS related," or something to that effect, and put a Stub tag on it. Really?--Aivass Remurias 20:08, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

What do I know about TRS? I just created the page so someone else could add to it. I never played TRS, just the localized Fire Emblem games. I just created the page so someone else could expand it.--Thenewguy34 00:15, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Black Dragon Laguz Rollback
I noticed about a year ago that Black Dragon Laguz's account was hacked, yet that that account still has Rollback I believe. It might not be a great idea to leave Rollback on a compromised account.

On a similar note (and I hate asking, I really do), I was wondering if I might be able to have Rollback. It is totally not my style to ask, but I figured you would not know whether I was interested or not otherwise. Honestly, I haven't seen it being granted any other way, either. I'm just interested in helping keep article vandals at bay and protecting the work that myself and others have already done.--Aivass Remurias 12:58, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, you didn't have rollback already? I'd give it to you, but I feel kinda awkward about doing so now that you've asked. Other users have asked, and I've said no. They might get mad or something.--Otherarrow 16:25, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, well, like I said, other than asking I don't really see how it would happen any other way, especially if you thought I had it this whole time...I really don't see it as much of a big deal as far as status or anything, just an additional function. Actually I kind of doubt those other users would be justified in getting mad, since it really should be based on dedication to the wiki in terms of frequent, substantial edits and wanting to keep vandals away.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this...kind of a funny situation...haha...hmm...okay, I'm going to go cry now...maybe I will ask again in the future?--Aivass Remurias 16:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry about it. I decided to give you rollback after all. Your talk about it being "just an additional function" kinda convinced me to not sweat it, and like I said, I thought you already had it anyway. Sorry for any trouble. Congrats.--Otherarrow 16:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I definitely don't want to be guilty of not at least saying thank you, so thanks! =) I'm going to go to Wikia Central and read up on the new functions and their use. I hope I can be helpful. I guess I'll fix the Usernav template to reflect this recent shakedown, unless you want to yourself.--Aivass Remurias 17:03, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting we have that thing. I think it is super out of date anyway.--Otherarrow 17:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, yeah. I've found it to be very helpful in the past. I thought it was useful for having all the major contributors in one place. I actually just saw it, it didn't seem to be too far off, unless I'm wrong. Would you mind taking a quick look at it?--Aivass Remurias 17:36, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the non-mod users could use an update, but I am not sure who'd go on there or not. Sorry. Like I said, I keep forgetting we even have this thing.--Otherarrow 17:40, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Quote from Manga adaption about Miloah
He did have a quote in the manga adaption of FE1 in the flashback, but I couldn't understand it since the scan on Volume 10 is not in English (the scan of Vol. 10 - 12 was in Japanese from SF.net). And plus, I didn't have enough room on the summary to add that part, sorry. 21:57, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he doesn't appear in the game itself, and having that quote template might imply that he was. I think that if they don't actually appear in the game and are just mentioned, a quote isn't needed as much. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 22:09, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well actually, I do think there was other game canon characters that did appeared in the other manga adaptions that did have quotes such as Kurth, Ring, and Cigyun in the Seisen no Keifu (Mitsuki Oosawa manga) that they did appeared instead of making cameos or being mentioned. 22:23, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are actually saying here. I am not saying that you can't add a quote, more that since they don't appear in the game itself, they don't need a quote.--Otherarrow 22:35, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

So? If it just adding a quote from an manga adoption if they don't have one in a game, should I put it like this:

"Example"

- Example Quote in Mitsuki Oosawa manga adaption

So that it won't get them confused? 22:49, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. That's fine.--Otherarrow 22:53, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate/Superseded Files
Recently, we have come into possession of a lot of these. I think they should all be found in Category:Pages proposed for deletion.--Aivass Remurias 04:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for checking that. Actually, I'm glad to see we kept a few of those (some were very hard to tell if they were duplicates, especially the Merric Complete one). As for the TRS portraits, I thought they were just low-res versions of the ones we had. Again, glad you fixed that, too.--Aivass Remurias 04:38, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the thing about the Merric Complete was that it had a nonsense filename, I moved it to a better one but forgot to correct it on the page. As for the TRS portraits, yeah, a lot of the art is basically the portraits, but as drawn artwork. But there are some differences, some subtle, some not so subtle (like Mel's ever changing outfit)--Otherarrow 04:41, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

We have some more pages/files in Category:Pages proposed for deletion. If you could check these, I'd appreciate it.--Aivass Remurias 22:27, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.--Otherarrow 22:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

That's Funny
I undid one of your revisions, and it said that you undid it! Isn't that hilarious? --Thenewguy34 20:17, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because I did undo it? It turns out I had route and rout right the first time and just noticed. I think we undid it at the same time, and mine went through first, but since there was no real difference between revisions, it didn't give you an edit conflict? I am sorry if I offended you in some matter.--Otherarrow 20:19, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Answer
"Wait, so if you knew what needed to be done, why didn't you do it yourself? I don't understand."

I have other stuff to do- quite a bit, in fact. --Thenewguy34 20:09, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not like it took me very long to do it, so I expected that you could have done it while you were formatting the Kakusei data. Since I didn't know that you are busy, I thought you were just being lazy. Forgive me.--Otherarrow 20:13, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Heirhein Page
Just like with the previous Golem page, the Heirhein page was made by Thenewguy34 and it's just "Heirhein is a place in FE4" with a couple tags. He can at least try when he makes a page.--Aivass Remurias 21:37, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, at least he got the game and vaguest definition of the place right this time. Better than "some manga thing". I'll try to flesh it out.--Otherarrow 22:38, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Improving The FE4 Charstat Template
Check this out when you have a minute, if you please.--Aivass Remurias 23:23, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Copy/Paste Error
It would seem I've lost the ability to copy/paste somehow...I still want to continue with the improved Charstat FE4, though. Has this ever happened to you before? Any idea on how to restore it?--Aivass Remurias 03:15, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have never had that happen, so I don't know how to help. Sorry. Do you want me to take over from here until the copy paste comes back?--Otherarrow 03:18, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I managed to fix it, but while I was delayed, Engweimin went off on his own and made some unintended edits (such as putting actual stars in for Leadership). Could you ask him to give me some more time? I think he misinterpreted the message I left on the Charstat FE4 Template Talk Page. I appreciate all your help.--Aivass Remurias 03:33, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I told him. You may want to talk to him yourself and tell both of us when you are done for the time being, so we don't start stepping on each other's toes and such. Thanks for the help!--Otherarrow 03:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I will do just that. I am sorry for the confusion if there was any. I will continue on with the edits.--Aivass Remurias 03:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hereby apologize if my edits have offended anyone. I shall hold off from editing until you have sorted out the template issues then. --Engweimin 03:41, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no, you have done nothing wrong. In fact, you have done just what was asked of you. Aivass just wanted some more time to get more himself so we don't accidentally start edit conflicting each other and getting all tangled and such. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 03:44, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize, friend. I'm not offended in the slightest. I was just having some temporary computer trouble and I think there may have been some slight misunderstanding back at the Charstat FE4 Template Talk Page, that's all. No harm done.--Aivass Remurias 03:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Also, I did some tinkering, and the CharStat can hold up to seven of the stars without forcing the "Inherited Items" thing getting squished and taking two lines and such. Should we uses the stars?--Otherarrow 03:44, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure on that. As in, I'm undecided at this point.--Aivass Remurias 03:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm uneasy, but only because I'm thinking of all the FE5 characters that would need it too...can we save that for another day, maybe? The idea is growing on me.--Aivass Remurias 04:01, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * On the stars? OK. Let's focus on finishing this first for now. Are you able to continue, or should me/Engweimin take over?--Otherarrow 04:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still good to go for a little longer. I'll let you both know.--Aivass Remurias 04:06, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Leadership "Stars" In The CharStat Templates
I looked over everything and I'm not really for it anymore. The reason is, while one can fit up to 7 stars without a double line penalty, it comes at the expense of all the other columns, some of which (Holy Blood, Weapon Levels, etc.) do not look so good when one has to read them from top to bottom, one word at a time, instead of on one line. That's my two cents. Anyway, I'm continuing the editing now, as I found where I left off.--Aivass Remurias 04:17, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, that is understandable. Thanks for looking into that.--Otherarrow 04:20, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I actually might have a very good use for those stars. I think we should use them for the Major Holy Blood weapon levels, if you know what I mean. Right now we use *, but if a given character has, for example, a droppable item as well, it looks the same, which is slightly confusing. Wouldn't it be better if the two were more distinct-looking? So take Aless for example: instead of Sword - * we would have Sword - Star. What do you think? Does that sound good?--Aivass Remurias 07:11, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Progress On The Improved FE4 CharStat Template
After almost 7 hours, I finally got all the way down to Lana and finished that page up, which means we are now done with that little project. It took longer than I thought, maybe because I was noticing little things here and there to correct along the way. I want to thank you for your help. And now, I will rest for a bit.--Aivass Remurias 10:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

hey Otherarrow can you restore the Elwind page it got messed up i tried to remove the need image template and that happened. i got the image up there though it just needs placeing.i also have the missing weapon stats if it`s neededNaglfar94 02:36, April 23, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Thanks that was fast sorry about that.im still getting a feel for how to use thing`s up hereNaglfar94 02:45, April 23, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * It's OK. If you have any questions, be sure to ask me.--Otherarrow 02:49, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I was just over on the Futurama wikia
correcting a few double redirect to kill time before my first lectures today, and they have this badge system (kind of like achievements) for editing, do you know anything about this kind of thing? is it exclusive to a few wikis or is it an easy option across wikia? and how would you feel about employing a similar scheme here?

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  08:53, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is my opinion, but I think that we should save badges for when we need to promote the site, like when we're short-handed in regular contributors. We really don't need to get distracted with badges while we're trying to add information about Fire Emblem: Kakusei. --Thenewguy34 11:16, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

hmmm I see the point, but i'd say we don't ever want to be in a situation when we're short of people and so constant small promotion is better than large promotion but only every so often. Also I was thinking this could be one of the projects for me, since I don't really like adding info on a game I haven't played myself (you may have noticed I don't do much on the FE2 and FE3/12 pages). So its not like any less work is being done on my part.

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  12:56, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * How would that even work? What wouldn't stop a user from getting a bunch of badges and start acting smug and superior to the other users? And then people will fuss over someone got X badge even though user Y did the same thing, and so on. I personally can't see this working out.--Otherarrow 13:02, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not really for it, either...--Aivass Remurias 15:23, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Here's this info about badges for wikia, this might help explaining about it. 17:03, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dunno. It looks like to me something that encourages competition among users, and not in a good way, but in a "prove that you are better by getting more badges and moving up the leaderboard" kinda way. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 17:55, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Two New Template Gifts for this Wiki
I am going to show you that I made a Userbox Template for this Wiki for admins and rollback users can have these templates that I made: Template:Admin & Template:Rollback.

So what do you think? 01:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not bad, though I question the use of Trainee unit Amelia for Rollback. I don't really use userboxes personally though, but the other users might find a use for them.--Otherarrow 01:50, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * They're nice, but I wish we didn't have them, for the same reason I'm against badges...--Aivass Remurias 01:53, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but since userboxes hold no real meaning and are just for fun, I see no harm in having them if some users want to use them, even if I specifically don't. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 02:13, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

I guess it's ready now since I rename it to User:King Marth 64/Sandbox/Template:Admin & User:King Marth 64/Sandbox/Template:Rollback to Template:Admin & Template:Rollback. 03:31, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Can you please change the second color of Template: Rollback to something that's not blue? It makes it hard to read the text. --Thenewguy34 00:24, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Seisen no Keifu Music
um Otherarrow is it all right if you preset a page for me?im makeing a new page to add to fire emblem seisen no keifu.im doing a music track list for it but i need that big grey grid thing they go in like on monshou no nazo thank`s i will be back later i have to do somethingNaglfar94 01:39, April 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Preset? I don't understand what you mean. In this case, I would copy paste the template on the FE3 page and edit it accordingly. Would that work?--Otherarrow 01:47, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

yeah i think that will work i just need that grid thing and im all set so im gonna make the page later you will see it soon but i need to gather as much info on the soundtrack as possible.the new page will be here soonNaglfar94 07:20, April 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Leadership of Recruitable Characters
I have a FE4 question related to recruitable characters that have Leadership Stars (Aless, Altenna, Hannibal, etc...). Do they retain those Leadership Stars once they are recruited? This subject came up as I was updating the FE4 CharStat Template.--Aivass Remurias 04:58, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I think they lose them once they are recruited (presumably because they err to Celice's leadership?) I could be misremembering though.--Otherarrow 13:14, April 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes they will lose the leadership stars. Unless it's FE5. --Satria Hitam 11:09, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you.--Otherarrow 12:40, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

What?
There's reclassing in FE13? Geez Louise, do we really need to recycle that? It wasn't terrible, but using it too much makes it bleh. --Thenewguy34 11:38, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

fair enough
I disagree and think they're a nifty idea, but I suppose its not something worth arguing for right now if the majority is against it.

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  15:31, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

hey Otherarrow the song list page i was talking about is up now you can check it out now to see how it is.it still needs work though as it`s not complete so when you get the chance would you mind doing some editing.it`s in seisen no keifu thanks i hope i did good for onceNaglfar94 05:16, April 27, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

3 Pages To Delete
Hi, I was wondering if you could have a look at Category:Pages proposed for deletion. We have 3 pages in there currently.198.111.164.120 13:55, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

hi Otherarrow i took a look at the song list page i made it look`s better now but that`s not all the song`s i have to do this in little part`s because there is so many.ah yes i will proofread well i guess i will add more to the page i need alittle hand though it`s so many track`s in the OST for that game alrighty i will add on some more part`s see you later.76.250.231.108 00:47, April 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * OK. I will do what I can to help. Thanks for all the hard work!--Otherarrow 00:51, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thenewguy34
I just wanted to briefly mention to you that this user is starting to irritate me a bit. What with the inserting nonsense into a page, creating pages like "Luck Cry" is a skill from Fire Emblem: Kakusei just to get it off the wanted pages when he knows next to nothing about the topic, chastising me for correcting a major error on a forum post, and reverting edits like the recent Athena page activity, I'm a bit at a loss at how to handle it. I figured rather than confront him directly about it (seems like a bad idea, didn't want to fuel the flame), I thought the most constructive thing would be to possibly ask for advice on this one.

The Athena page revert thing is kinda what did it for me...I mean the reader shouldn't have to guess whether or not anyone supports her (ex. they could think we might not have filled it in yet)...ehh I could go on but if you check the page's history you'll see...it's about completeness, man...

--Aivass Remurias 01:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do admit, he is starting to bother me as well. The part that got to me was the whole Assassins thing, where he priorities a unneeded redirect to the Assassin class page over the actual chapter called that, to the point where at one point he made the page as "Assassins is some manga thing" just so he can point to the Assassin class page at the top. I'll talk to him. As for edits like the one on the Athena page, edit what you think is right. Revert him if you feel his edit is wrong. You probably should talk to him too.--Otherarrow 02:17, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, I remember the "Assassins" bit now, I had forgotten about that one. It's just that I'm not great at this sort of thing, and I don't want to come across as "superior" or something ridiculous like that. I don't want to make him mad or upset at all, and I just feel that might've happened if I had talked to him first. It's a sensitive matter, to be sure, so I appreciate your expertise.--Aivass Remurias 02:33, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest, I am no expert on this kind of thing, and I am trying not to look like I am superior either. I do hope that this can be resolved peacefully.--Otherarrow 02:36, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I know what you mean. I didn't think of it that way, though. And yes, I totally agree. I'm all for peace here. Talking to you first just seemed like the most sensible way to attain it, I suppose.--Aivass Remurias 02:53, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Navigation Templates
What order do the weapons in navigation templates go? On template Axenav one your edits said that the template needed a cleanup. What did you mean? --Thenewguy34 10:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Axe template pretty much had all the entries just kinda thrown in there without any rhymn or reason. I prefer that the normal weapons can go from Bronze, Iron, Steel, etc, but the special weapons go in order of game appearance (ex, all the Axes that first appear FE1, then the ones that first appear in 3, etc). If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 12:22, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

27.108.200.7
Can you please block this IP for his vandalism and spam? Also, please delete HOT COCK and Gimle, spam pages he created, as well. --Thenewguy34 11:38, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

hi Otherarrow im sorry to have to keep coming to you for help but how do you add a gallery section to a page that does not have one? I have a picture to finally be added to the fenrir magic page hmm you know what i will upload the photo and put it with the others and then maybe it can be added.Naglfar94 07:42, May 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh yeah i wanted to let you know that there will be small changes to the charcters with holy weapons in seisen no keifu.i want to change the stats to their true value for enemies that have them.since they never change weapons so mind as well put up what they are i.e alvis has 40 magic thanks to fala flame.Naglfar94 07:58, May 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * No, we usually don't take in weapon or skill effects in mind when calculating stats. Also, galleries are made by
 * --Otherarrow 13:20, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

sorry Otherarrow i did thoes changes yesterday really late and you were not up there that`s why but other wise i would have waited for your permission i was the onley one on at that time it was like 4:24 A.M when i did that sorry.71.234.234.240 19:01, May 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I guess it's alright. Sorry if I did get a little upset.--Otherarrow 19:41, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Archive about Votes for Featured Articles
Can you please archive the old votes now on the Fire Emblem Wiki:Votes for Featured Articles since its now time to feature and plus, there was a question from the anon on the talkpage of the Votes for Featured Articles about suggesting about Protect the Page from IPs since the rules say that IP votes are not allowed to vote? 20:22, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

It seems rather unlogical to not protect it. I don't see why he hasn't protected it yet. --Thenewguy34(Other) 23:01, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Awakening Navigation Template
I think you should definitely separate the children characters from the parents, kind of like the FE4 Nav Template. It makes the template easier to use. Also, any idea when we will be using that template around here?--Aivass Remurias 17:53, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll take that in mind. But would Lucina go with kids or the rest? Also, I am waiting for a bit more info to come out, so I don't miss any important terms or anything like that.--Otherarrow 17:57, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say she should go with the kids for now. We can always easily change it later, if needed.--Aivass Remurias 17:59, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, updated it. You still think I should launch it now, or should I add anything else? Also, Gangrel question.--Otherarrow 18:46, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, sorry I didn't see your most recent post on this topic. I'm not sure what extra info you are referring to that you are waiting for, but that's just me. The Gangrel question is...a very, very good question. You're right, he doesn't have the excuse the Wolfguard did in FE3/FE12 so...I'm at a loss for now regarding that. I'd say you could launch it when you feel you are ready, and we can always modify/discuss the Gangrel issue at a later date.--Aivass Remurias 03:06, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Wanted Pages
In the wanted pages, #134 and #144 are either remnants of pages you already deleted or broken redirects. However, I'm not able to even mark them to be deleted. could you take a look at those and get rid of them?--Aivass Remurias 18:05, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * What pages are those exaltly? You don't have to link them, just tell me.--Otherarrow 18:46, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Telling you the numbers was the easiest way, as the names are long and you can see what links to them, but here they are:


 * Talk:Hoping for fire emblem 3ds coming to ameriaca/@comment-Thenewguy34-20120425001515
 * Hoping for fire emblem 3ds coming to ameriaca

Let me know.--Aivass Remurias 21:21, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Strange. I think I've deleted both of those...multiple times. I wonder, what is linking to them to make them show up?--Otherarrow 21:44, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

In the wanted pages list, you can see what is linking to them.--Aivass Remurias 21:48, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Thanks.--Otherarrow 21:51, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

hi Otherarrow i saw your other message finally it`s alright you had everyright to be upset im still very sorry.next time i want to change somthing like that im just going to wait and make sure your around and ask sorry but atleast now i know more of how thing`s go up here.well i won`t be on for a few as i want to take a break from updateing stuff but i will be back because i need to finish the music list page that i started.Naglfar94 09:37, May 5, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Adding One More "Did You Know" To Template:Know?
We currently have 9, and since 10 is a good even number and none of the current ones have to do with FE6, could we add this?

"...that Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi is set 20 years after Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken?"

Seems like a good idea to me! Let me know.--Aivass Remurias 18:01, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Do you need me to add it, or can you do it? I honestly don't recall if that thing is locked or not.--Otherarrow 18:22, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

It's definitely locked, so I can't.--Aivass Remurias 18:29, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Adding some color to Monobook skin?
Despite some skins being filtered out from that change a year and a half ago, I've noticed how there are wikias that have color in their monobook skins. Then, I look at this skin and notice how white it is. I mean, even Wikipedia has a shade of gray on the borders. If you know how to add a colored skin to the monobook layout, can you please think about adding one?

If you don't know, I put up a forum post on Community Central, since I want to know how to add color myself. --Thenewguy34 20:16, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I really have no problem with the white, so even if I did know, I probably wouldn't change it.--Otherarrow 20:41, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

It personally bothers me, having a page with no color. --Thenewguy34 11:19, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Skill Navigation Template
Regarding the Skill Nav Template you have planned, I'd say go for it, as it's way better than what we currently have (especially with the large amount of skills introduced in Kakusei). As for the questions you have associated with it, I'm really glad you're asking them, actually. Those are very good points. However, I would recommend going for it and hammering out those particular details later, but that's just me. What do you think?--Aivass Remurias 03:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

New Skill Navigation: Sol
I just wanted to quickly point out that "Sol" on the new skill nav should probably be changed to "Sol (skill)". That one step would proabably fix a lot of disambigs. By the way, I have been working on Special:Disambiguations, so eventually I hope to correct all or most of them.--Aivass Remurias 15:45, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I just copy pasted from my sandbox and added the Awakening section, so I must have forgotten to change it. Thanks!--Otherarrow 15:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Similarly, changing "Jamil" to "Jamil (Gaiden)" on the Gaiden Nav would most likely fix 100% of the Jamil disambigs in one simple edit.--Aivass Remurias 16:03, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Need help
Hey otherarrow i did a new page i will be doing new updates but not anymore not now later on as i need some rest.but now i got more stuff and lot`s of photos to add up here but beware though some of the photos are kinda blurred but clear enough to see,the reason why is becuase i had to snap the pictures myself from off the TV and the battle animations go fast but they are good i got a good shot of thor hammer off my game.i also needed help with the add gallery to the pages i know how to do it all now but how do you move the gallery to the bottom of the page?becuase when i tried on the gungnir page the new photo went on the top.so it looked sloppy so i just stopped and took the photo and gallery downNaglfar94 07:56, May 8, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Trabants page is completely normal now Otherarrow i changed the stats you forgot to change back from last time so it`s how it was the first time now.Naglfar94 08:14, May 8, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh no mistake big mistake..the Fenrir picture...too big the size need`s serious editingNaglfar94 00:16, May 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

um Otherarrow...i was attemting the charstat,chargrowth thing and i thought i knew what i was doing but it came out wrong where is the grey grid it is supposed to go in?how do i get it? because right now it`s not looking right it`s on bantus page.i am logging off now as my time is up but it needs fixing.Naglfar94 05:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * If you are having problems adding a template, look to what other pages from the same game are doing. You were not even using the right templates. The FE3 stats use the FE1 template, the growths are 1&3. If you don't know how to use a template, you should ask before you make a mess of a page trying to figure out what you did wrong.--Otherarrow 13:04, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Sorry if I came off as rude there, but it's not exactly pleasing to the first thing I see when I log on is you telling me that you are having trouble with something relatively simple. I will admit, your editing is getting better though. Good job.--Otherarrow 13:12, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

FE13 Navigation Template
I noticed a couple of things that could use adding/changing on it: --Aivass Remurias 22:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * C9: Holy Queen Emelina is not on there
 * Some of the spellings on the page "List of Fire Emblem: Kakusei Chapters" don't match those on the template (S1, C6, and C14 for example)
 * We could probably add "SpotPass" and "StreetPass" to the "Other" section
 * Most of those were just typos and mistakes on my part. Sorry.--Otherarrow 22:15, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks for the fix! Also, I think we might eventually might need a section on there for the "Downloadable Episodes". Here is a list of them for your reference, and you could probably abbreviate "Another Story #" to "AS#" if needed, like how you abbreviate, for example, "Chapter 3" to "C3". I'm already using these names for the DLC characters' appearances. --Aivass Remurias 06:52, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Another Story 1: Spirit Talisman 1
 * Another Story 2: King vs. King (Emblem Side)
 * Another Story 3: Spirit Talisman 2
 * Another Story 4: King vs. King (Holy War Side)
 * Another Story 5: Gold and Silver
 * Another Story 6: Spirit Talisman 3
 * Another Story 7: Red vs. Blue (Seals Side)
 * Another Story 8: Light vs. Dark (Light Side)
 * Another Story 9: Entombed Heaven

As Double is a new game mechanic, it might be good to put it in the "Other" section as well.--Aivass Remurias 07:01, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I added double. I am not sure if we should add the DLC chapters with the others or just make a whole new section. What do you think?--Otherarrow 12:52, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'd say make a whole new section called "Downloadable Episodes".--Aivass Remurias 15:01, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
Thank`s Otherarrow sorry about the bantu page though so certain FE games share the same template set up basically right? oh yeah i was practicing on editing pages so i got alittle better at it i hope my editing skills get better.as i feel bad that everyone has to keep coming and fixing up my mistakes,also about the Pent thing that i wrote i wanted to share it because i noticed it happens in my game if i keep one of them rescued and the other falls. you have a copy of FE7 right?you should try it on the final chapter it really happens i wish i had a camera so i could record how it look`s because it`s quite odd though don`t you think?71.234.234.240 05:16, May 12, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Wanting To Discuss A Potential Disagreement
Hi Otherarrow. I wanted to discuss a potential disagreement we might run into in the future regarding boosted stats in CharStat Templates (whether it be due to a Dragon/Beast Stone, Skill or Equipment). My view on the matter has evolved somewhat with the introduction of more ways that stats can now be boosted. My position is neither to add just the boost together with the inital stat, nor omit the boost altogether (both portrayals appear very misleading from a gaming perspective, a perspective this Wiki emphasizes). I feel we should show both the intial stat and the boost amount for completeness sake. For example, if Character A has an initial Defense of 10 and has a Skill that boosts it by 2, we should show it as 10+2 in the Def column. Since this is similar to my original mission of including Affinity in the CharStat, I feel strongly about this, actually. Could we have a discussion about it at some point? I would take full responsibilty for implementing it, although honestly, there aren't that many CharStats that would be changed.--Aivass Remurias 16:24, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think we should show the boosted stats in that manner, then go ahead. I have no problems. I feel kinda eh about making a while discussion about it, as either it goes quiet really quick, or there is a lot a bickering with no one saying anything new or convincing anyone else.--Otherarrow 16:58, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Though if you want to discuss it, I could work something out. Your choice. I still think you should just go ahead though.--Otherarrow 17:07, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for hearing me out. I'll just go ahead with it. I originally meant to just discuss it with you, anyway. Also, I added a short addition to your previous message "Skill Navigation: Sol" that might have gotten overlooked with all these changes to your talk page. I try to avoid creating new messages about the same things if I can to avoid overloading you with messages.--Aivass Remurias 17:15, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Gradivus
Otherarrow I have a question regarding the Gradivus page. in the Monshou no Nazo section it says in the Effect thing gives 2X Exp and negates critical hit`s,now the 2X Exp part is right but it sure does not negate criticals I have a copy of the game and used the Regalia weapons and criticals can still be done on you. you think we should edit that part?I will just stay put for now i won`t touch anything though i will see what you think of this.Naglfar94 23:39, May 12, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * If you think something is wrong, change it. No biggy.--Otherarrow 01:40, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Alright will do
Hi Otherarrow alright im gonna change it Becuase the sacred weapons nulling criticals is alittle missleading.I was nervous to change it that`s all..i did not want any one to get upset with me but anyhow thank you!time to do some editing.Naglfar94 01:54, May 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Not Merging Battle Monk and Battle Cleric
You said that was for the same reason we don't merge Cleric and Priest. What is that reason, gender? --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:35, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the game itself considers them separate classes I think. If not, when we wouldn't have both, now would we? I am sure that there is some statistic difference that we just don't know about yet. As for Cleric and Priest, not only are they specified as different classes, in some games, they even have different promotions. Don't worry about it.--Otherarrow 19:39, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Question about censoring
Aren't we supposed to censor profanity on the wiki? After all, that is what he have been doing since that policy was established. Why then, did you undo my revision with Gandolf? --Thenewguy34( Other) 21:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, no. Since when have we been censoring profanity? I've only seen you do it. Also, hell isn't a cuss word, or at the most, a mild one. Regardless, don't change the actual in game dialog for the sake of censorship..--Otherarrow 22:00, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, the policy refers to users cussing and the like. The in game dialouge is not to be messed with.--Otherarrow 22:03, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Seisen no Keifu Character Pages
Hi there Othearrow, I have been thinking about this for a while, but don't you find that the tables used to present data (such as base stats) for character pages seem rather dull? Furthermore, the tables also seem to take on a 'cluttered' sort of appearance, with certain phrases, due to space constraints, being continued on the next preceding line.

As such, I propose that we use weapon icons to represent the various weapon types, and the Holy Blood icons to represent each characters' respective Holy Blood statuses. As for dealing with the differentiation between Minor/Major Holy Blood, I could upload images of their respective orbs (as they appeared in-game), and place them beside the respective Holy Blood icons. Furthermore, the skill names could probably be replaced by their respective icons as well.

Thanks for taking the time to read through this paragraph, and I hope to receive a reply from you soon. --Engweimin 14:36, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cluttered? Well, I think there is nothing to do about that except alter the size of the offending sections so that they are large enough to fit the data (and even then, if the template ends up "next" to the character infobox, it will be squished down. Anyway, I suppose I have no real problem with using weapon and Holy Blood icons, though I do fear that putting them next to the text will just clutter things more. If you think it's a good idea, I have no problem if you just go ahead (of course, I think we should do the same for the other games next.)
 * A question though, will we be putting in the icons for the individual weapons as well?--Otherarrow 14:45, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose we will, as long as the spaces in the boxes permit it. --Engweimin 15:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've no problem with the idea of having the weapon icons put next to the weapon names (like with the Live Staff on the Lana page), but outright replacing the Holy Blood, Skills, and Weapon Types links with just the images? I can't say I like that...--Aivass Remurias 16:08, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would prefer if we had the icon with the words, but I understand if it'd take up too much space and clutter things. I'll experiment with it.--Otherarrow 16:35, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I added the icons to the Celice page and didn't notice any real problems with space and such. Could you guys take a look and see how it stacks up?--Otherarrow 16:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out later today. I think all of this is a fine idea, I'm just not for replacing the actual links. It looks like everything except the Holy Blood and Weapon Levels gained by promotion have both images and links, but since the Holy Blood is FE4 only (and only for characters that possess it), I'm willing to give it some time. Looks like there is space for everything, but I'll have to look at it later...again, my thanks to Engweimin. He/She's doing a fantastic job with these pages.--Aivass Remurias 06:38, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * The icons for Celice's Baldo Holy Blood indicator are stacked up one after the other, when viewed without the expansion option. --Engweimin 02:53, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Scrap that. I managed to fix it. I shall implement this format to the other character pages. --Engweimin 02:57, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

71.200.21.242
Can you please keep an eye out on this IP? His edits have been rather disruptive. I left a message on his talk page, but I still ask that someone keep an eye out on him, as I must leave the wiki in a few minutes for the night. --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:17, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

More to come
Hi Otherarrow I checked some of the pages and I have to say the choice of Edit`s are great!I also I wanted to let you know that I got a bunch more images for certain pages that will be useful.mostly for the class pages that either don`t have images at all or lack them,so the gallery sections for thoes pages will have work done soon.but for now I won`t be doing anything as im taking a break from Editing stuff up here I just want to sit and watch for now.71.234.234.240 03:43, May 19, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Question
Should we create a Category:Maintenance for things like Merging Pages, Deleting Pages, Cleaning Up pages in Format, and Cleaning Up Biased Pages? I really do not see how Category:Clean Up belongs under "Needs more information". --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:22, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Screenshots
hello Otherarrow about the screenshots yes I shot them myself that`s why some are blurred I have the games too.I got a superfamicom last year for cristhmas,don`t worry the photos are legit just that some are poorly shot becuase timing thoese battle animations right is hard not to mention the camera used is bad becuase it takes two second`s to acually shoot the photo.sorry if some came out bad.Naglfar94 00:48, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Huh. That's pretty neat. Don't worry about the screenshots, those will do until we can get some clearer images. Thanks for all the help!--Otherarrow 00:52, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

your welcome!I`ve got a few more images to put up for today I will get more when I`m not too lazy to take the picture`s.I`m also trying to fix the class page`s by adding the maximum stat`s.Naglfar94 00:57, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh yeah don`t worry about earlier. it acually take`s me a bit longer to catch on because I have aspergers.Naglfar94 01:08, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Edit Button Bar Missing From MonoBook View
Have you noticed that the edit button bar, which used to be just above the edit space when editing a page, is now missing from MonoBook? This is a problem. I used that for many different things. My browser tells me there is an "Error on page" in the bottom left every time I edit a page, and I can see some of the error messages. Could you perhaps bring this to the attention of the Wikia Staff so we can get this fixed?--Aivass Remurias 17:20, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * The bar shows up just fine for me in Monobook (which is what I always use). How strange. Maybe it's just something on your end? Is the edit button bar still gone for you?--Otherarrow 17:30, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's still missing. I'm pretty sure the problem is with the webpage itself...I don't know what to do...--Aivass Remurias 17:51, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * What page are you getting the problem on? This one? Sorry I can't be of help, but I am not having any problems on my end.--Otherarrow 18:07, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

It occurs on any page with an edit space (so basically the edit screen). The edit buttons bar at the top is still missing for me due to an "Error on Webpage". Is there any way you could ask the Wikia Staff what to do? My editing ability will be limited until then.--Aivass Remurias 18:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not having a problem either. How about you ask, since you are the one having the problem? --Thenewguy34( Other) 18:36, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, and I wish I could help, but I don't know what to say! "A single user is having problems with the edit screen in Monobook, but since I am not having that problem, I don't know how to help." Besides...I kinda don't know where to ask the Wikia staff anyway. I've never had to before. Sorry again. I wish I could help.--Otherarrow 18:40, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's okay. I will contact them myself. I just now found out how to do so.--Aivass Remurias 18:47, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Sorry if this comes off as rude, but mind telling me? I want to know in case something like this comes up again.--Otherarrow 18:50, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Well, I was planning on using this: http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:How_to_report_bugs --Aivass Remurias 18:55, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks.--Otherarrow 19:10, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Should we delete this template?
According to Special:UnusedTemplates, the following template is unused, and has no articles linking to it:

Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0

I am asking you instead of marking it because it seems important, despite being unused. Should it be deleted? --Thenewguy34( Other) 20:26, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep it around just in case. Helps to be safe than sorry.--Otherarrow 20:39, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Question
I have to call it a night (it is getting rather late), so I cannot continue cleaning up the wiki tonight. If you are still here, can you please pick up where I left off and start clearing out stuff like unused templates/photos, categorizing stuff, and whatnot? You can find them here. You never know what is on a wiki until you look in here! --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:26, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you labeling everything that isn't being used up for deletion anyway, even templates that you don't even know what they do. For all you know, you could be getting me to delete something crucial. I check all of those things periodically. Don't worry about it and, I'll be honest, you are coming off to me as kinda smug with that last line, like you found something I didn't know about and was rubbing my face in it. Sorry if that sounds kinda rude, but it is the impression I got. Again, sorry. I could just be feeling off. Anyway, most of the templates still there don't actually need deleting, at least as far as I can tell.--Otherarrow 00:34, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Template
It turns out the template that Thenewguy34 had you delete, Template:FE3&5/note2 was to be used for FE5 supports. The one we still have, Template:FE3&5/note is used for FE3 supports. I just now discovered this. Any way to bring it back?--Aivass Remurias 01:05, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was able to restore it. I guess it goes to show, sometimes just because it isn't being directly used doesn't mean it isn't needed.--Otherarrow 01:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Bond support might also be a similar case...--Aivass Remurias 01:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Otherarrow,

Why'd you delete the pictures I made (Blacktemple.png, Eightlegends (Names labeled).jpg? It took me a while to make those. It just seems unfair to see them deleted now without an edit summary saying why they were deleted. At least add an edit summary explaining why stuff is being deleted.

--Tobi 02:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Both of those were images we already had (We have a cleaner version of the labeled Eight Legends, and the Black Temple image was literally a dupe of a image we already had in use). Sorry for any trouble.--Otherarrow 02:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia section question
hi Otherarrow I have a question regarding the trivia sections.when is it alright to add them? because I noticed that when I add them they get taken down soon after am I doing somting wrong?am I missing info?Naglfar94 20:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Well, I guess it depends on what the trivia is. I personally disapprove of trivia entries I see as coincidental (such as "This guy vaguely looks like that guy from that other show" or "this gal has the same voice actior as some other guy from a unrelated thing"). What are you trying to add?--Otherarrow 20:15, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

well I tried to add it to Sylvia`s page and it`s gone now I don`t know who did that and the Pent and louise glitch you explained to me why it could not be there so it`s ok.Trivia section`s are not that important are they? I guess page`s can do without them.Naglfar94 20:28, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * What did you try to add to Sylvia's page? But yeah, Trivia is optional.--Otherarrow 20:40, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I put in how she was originaly planned to have blue hair at first but was later changed to green but I guess maybe that part for Trivia kinda lost it`s point as her concept art is up there and she has blue hair.Naglfar94 20:55, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Yeah, I thought with her concept art there, it was redundant.--Otherarrow 21:11, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Alright all is in agreement then it`s alright everything is done for a reason afterall.well I have to go do some fast editing as I`m not going to be up here very long as I have to leave somplace soon.Naglfar94 21:17, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

File:Blacktemple.png
Yesterday you deleted it, but gave no reason whatsoever. Yet, it was on Black Temple before I replaced the link with a needimage template. Why did you delete this image? --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:24, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Wiki said it was a duplicate of another image. An image that didn't show up in the unused images section.--Otherarrow 23:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

What image was it a duplicate of? --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:30, May 26, 2012 (UTC)