User talk:Otherarrow

For past messages, see here, here, here, here, and here. Thanks

For messages left here on this talk page, I will respond on this talk page. It gets confusing and tiresome having to jump from talk page to talk page to read a conversation or add a comment.--Otherarrow 04:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Since you archived my question...
It never got answered. Can you read this and tell me if I missed any grammar mistakes? Late Arrival

--Thenewguy34 11:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * You did fine. I didn't say anything because I had nothing to say.--Otherarrow 16:21, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype
1. Any reason for a Murdock sub-archetype? Can't we just add them to Camus?

2. Also, would Sigurd qualify as an Oifey, since he also starts out promoted, and, though is outclassed by other units, can hold his own through the rest of the game (until he dies)?

--Thenewguy34 22:56, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. I felt they didn't have the same "my master right or wrong" thing that Camus and his ilk had, but upon inspection, it seems there is no real difference, and I may be wrong. 2.Sigurd is a lord. You have to use him, no matter what. Whether he counts regardless is up to you.--Otherarrow 23:13, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

But, would Celica from FE2 qualifies as a Nyna and Midayle from FE4 qualifies as a Gordin also? 23:39, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cellica is a Lord. Also, Midayle isn't young or inexperienced, and also rides a horse.--Otherarrow 23:41, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Uhh? Eirika is in the Nyna Archetype list and she's a lord also.

Archetype page in Nyna section: "Eirika notably has a brother who also survives and is also a lord, but still fits the Archetype."

23:59, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then remove her. If we counted lords, we'd be adding every lord and then some. Geez.--Otherarrow 00:02, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Why remove her? I think she still fits. 00:15, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't people like Jeorge ( Snipers ex. Klein, Igrene, Louise, and Innes), Caeda ( Non-Lord princesses/princes who are playable ex. Lillina, L'arachel, Joshua) Matthis ( More Balanced cavalier than a Cain and Abel ex. Lowen, Franz) Arron & Samson ( a pair in which you can only get one of ex. Echidna and Bartre, Karel and Harken, Gotoh and Nagi), and Rickard ( a theif/theif promotion after getting the Julian ex. Cath, Astol, Legualt, Jaffar, Renault) be Archetypes?
 * Jeorge, maybe not, since "prepromoted sniper" is a bit too general. (Not to mention we are currently using Jeorge for "Noble or plot important person in disguise as a commoner") Shiida? Maybe. Might be a bit too general. For instance, 3, 4, and 8 are just full of royalty and would just inflate the list with barely related characters. Arran and Samson? Already there! Rickard seems too much like "Thief who isn't the Julian", and I stated before that I don't really think we should make an archetype solely about characters who don't fit into other archetypes. The Frey (I refuse to call it the Matthis because Matthis is as balanced as a tooth pick) falls into that same category.
 * EDIT: Thenewguy34 makes a good point too.--Otherarrow 00:34, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

These are more like lists than archetypes. They don't have any other connections with each other except for one, except for Arran and Samson. --Thenewguy34 00:31, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Jeorge i didn't know was already used and Arran and Samson were there now but not then. I also agree that the others aren't that reasonable, and that Matthis is as balanced as a toothpick, but now i have reasonable ones. Mercanary group ( ex. Dieck's Mercanaries, Geik's Mercanaries. Greil Mercanaries.) Linde ( A young female mage, kinda the female version of Merric ex. Lillina, Nino, Lute) Rickard ( a more reasonable version) or you could call it Dolph ( someone captive in the story and is sometimes recruitable even when captive ex. Lillina, Tana, Nephenee) are at least a little more reasonable, right?
 * I don't like the proposed Linde, which is just "girl mage" or "Merric, but a girl". With the exception of the Greil Mercenaries (depending on how you count Ike), the Mercenary Group seems more like a footnote to the Ogma archetype (which is what it currently is), since the leader and most important member of most of these groups, Ogma, Dieck, Gerik, etc, are Ogmas, and the other members are usually just following the Ogma. I do wonder if "unit who is locked in a cell" is really something we could pull off either. Most of those characters aren't really related aside from being locked up at some point. EDIT:--Otherarrow 00:54, March 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * P These are the best ones I came up with Wolf / Sedgar ( anyone who has 1 or moar extreme growth rates ex Karel) Palla ( the oldest pegasus sister, usually the highest level ex Juno, Fiora, Syrene) and there should be one where Ewan, Saul, and Sain would be in but i dont know who

The Wolf/Sedgar archetype isn't something I really think we could pull off, since they're not really that similar besides the growth rates. It just looks like a list of units with high growth rates. The Palla one again is again just a list of oldest pegasus, but I've been wondering if we rewired the conditions, if we could get an archetype about that. This next one appears to be talking about all of these "womanizer" units who have sexual lust for women, but I'm not sure if we could actually pull that off as an archetype, as they're not that similar other than personality. P.S.: Ewan is just a child. Cut him some slack. Please put everything else on Talk:Archetype. --Thenewguy34 00:28, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I only added Ewan becuase he said he had a lot of girlfriends the other 2 just try but fail, but i think you have a point plus extreme growth rate = growth over 100%

But they don't have anything similar other than one trait. (By the way, Ewan was just bragging to try to impress Ross, I highly doubt that those girls harbor crushes on Ewan). Therefore, these are not archetypes. --I&#39;m trying to run expansion projects, read such content on my profile. 23:04, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

OK i deleted all the pointless s***. Also Kurthnaga isn't an Est as he has pretty good stats that grow into great stats. Same with Pelleas he has good stats and mediocore growths.
 * Also can you put signature when you leave a message on Talkpages and Forums like this ~ so that we know who wrote this message and plus you can't delete other people's comments on Talkpages, sorry. 16:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * i dont think it would matter because i dont have an account =P

Most people don't. You just have to type four tildes, and Anon's can have Sigs also, it just keeps track on other users in case don't know who replied the message. 17:23, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

What is a tilde and a sig and who is Anon?

nvm about the tild part i just saw what it was while putting the question in =P 76.19.52.157 19:14, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just a reminder, but this is not a forum. Please move this to Forum:Index to use a forum or Talk:Archetype to proceed the archetype discussion. --Thenewguy34 19:54, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

I want to make a Fire Emblem game and it has three lords of the nine royal playable units. all others are in the Jeorge archetype. Am I obsessed with that Archetype?

Poll
When is a new poll being put up?--Thenewguy34 18:27, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Featured Articles
Umm... I got a question? When the rules say for voting with For and Against on under the nomination. Should it be one vote (either For or Against) from one user have to put it in and they cannot vote the other one with a different Opinion in this one: Fire Emblem Wiki:Votes for Featured Articles. And I see the anon (71.187.189.217) have returned and I can't tell if he doesn't know hes an IP/Unregistered User or probably didn't understand the rules.

"For each vote under a nomination, be sure to put either For, if you second the nomination, or Against, if you oppose the nomination, at the beginning of your vote! The Total will be calculated as Votes For subtracted by Votes Against."

02:39, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think that if someone disagrees with a nomination, they have the right to say so even if they voted for something else. If someone nominates a subpar article after you nominated a good article, would it be fair that you would be unable to dispute the other nomination because you already voted for? One vote for is to stop people from nominating or voting for multiple articles, which would just be problematic.--Otherarrow 04:06, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I created a new poll for the main page!
Which game do you want released overseas the most?
 * Fire Emblem: Gaiden FE2 (with Alm and Celica or however you spell her name)
 * Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu (FE4, with Siglud and Celice)
 * Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (FE5, with Leaf as the main character)
 * Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi (FE6, with Roy)
 * Fire Emblem: Shin Monshō no Nazo ~Hikari to Kage no Eiyū~(FE12- Marth's 2nd story)
 * Fire Emblem: Awakening (FE13, the upcoming game with Krom and the holy kingdom of Iris)

Since the current poll has been around for so long. Should we put it up?--Thenewguy34 13:41, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Policy
I might ask you to block me for a period of the time (preferably 7 days, or even a month) in the next couple of months. This is to enforce me punishing myself for dumb acts in real life. I'm not asking yet, I'm just letting you know.--Thenewguy34 01:07, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Seal of Approval
I need your seal of approval so I know you are going to do this at my request. All you need to know is that I'm punishing. Yes, I am indeed sane. --Thenewguy34 22:13, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do I need to block you again? I think at most, your only wrong doing is being a tad bit too harsh on newer users. And even that isn't enough to be punishable. You say you did something in real life, but that is none of my business and I don't see how that would affect you editing here.--Otherarrow 23:43, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Foobar
What is with all of this  stuff? All I see is  or  since the wikia community was shut down an hour ago, where all I saw was the word "foobar". Do you know why, or would I be better to take this question to community central? --Thenewguy34 12:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Update
Never mind. It just got fixed. But what was that all about?--Thenewguy34 12:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. It looked to me like vandalism.--Otherarrow 13:31, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Permission for Admin Rights?
Community Central:Adoption requests#Fire Emblem Wikia

Brandon Rhea said I maybe have to ask you about for getting admin rights for this wiki and I wanted to help out for getting ride of some of unnecassery pages for housekeeping, deleting Spam, and delete Vandalism, and plus block any user who done horrible on the wiki. Is that ok?

01:56, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why you want admin rights. It's not like there is too much for me to handle or anything. Also, you going and begging the higher ups for admin rights behind my back isn't getting you any points in my book. I'm starting to not trust you enough for admin rights really. Isn't this the second time you've tried to beg someone into giving them to you? If the time comes when we need another admin, I will be sure to let everyone know.--Otherarrow 02:07, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not actually begging, I wanted to help out the wiki, I get confused sometimes. I'll message to the Community Central about it to make sure. 02:15, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your enthusiasm to help out, but trying to ask for rollback or admin rights isn't the way to get those things. (unless it's a case where the Wiki's admins are inactive, and an admin is needed, but that is a different story) It gives off the impression that you want those things because you think you will have more "power" over the wiki, which I hope is not your motivation. Continue editing as you have been doing, you are doing a fine job after all, and when the time comes for another moderator or such, I will be sure to consider you. Don't worry about it.--Otherarrow 02:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Being an admin is not for everyone. This is my opinion, but I've seen your edits and I think you're a little far off from being viable. But that doesn't mean I'm any better. I'm not fit to be admin either; yhe whole reason I'm admin of the Chemistry Wiki is because I'm watching over the ghost town (and I also know about the subject, which was why I chose chemistry). Everyone wants admin rights but doesn't realize how much work it can be, even if being admin of this wiki is easier than some like the more active wikis like Skyrim or Community Central.--Thenewguy34 11:00, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

67.78.13.210
(He hasn't created a profile, which is why the wikia says the page doesn't exist)

He keeps vandalizing (removing all content) from pages, and then he undoes his revisions. Personally, I find it annoying. Is this viable enough for him to be blocked?--Thenewguy34 20:31, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. The fact that he is undoing his own vandalism seems strange. If he starts back up again, I'll block him. Sorry about that.--Otherarrow 20:41, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Read post
Template Talk:Needimage --Thenewguy34 00:45, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Needquote Template
Why was that template deleted? I was going to put up one when I found that the template was deleted a couple of months ago. --Thenewguy34 20:39, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because pages don't actually need quotes. While quotes are nice, it's not an actual requirement, and not having a quote isn't as much of a problem as not having a image. Not to mention, the template was barely used and was unnecessarily huge.--Otherarrow 21:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:I mean "top of the page" quotes, which is what the original template was made for. The sections with death, final chapter, and recruitment quotes are all good, and I recommend them. But they are still not as pressing, at least to me, as not having a image, so if you do want a new "need quotes", I wouldn't have it be as large as the needs image one. The last thing we need is someone to make a new character page, slap both templates on, and have the templates take up the majority of the page length. Some of the smaller pages are barely cutting it with the size of the need image one.--Otherarrow 21:32, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Top Content
That thing on the navigation bar? It doesn't link to anything. Are we using it, or is it there for show? --Thenewguy34 23:17, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you are talking about. Whatever it is doesn't show up in Monobook, the skin that I use and recommend to everyone. I guess it is there for show?--Otherarrow 23:48, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about the New Wikia Look. Switch to that and you'll know what I'm talking about. --Thenewguy34 23:50, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, that doesn't do anything and I have no clue where it came from. I'd just ignore it.--Otherarrow 00:32, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Definitions
Can you explain to me what the two definitions are, wiki-wise:


 * Banskipping


 * Housekeeping

--Thenewguy34 10:17, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Banskipping is exactly what it sounds like: Someone skipping being blocked somehow and editing (usually vandalizing) again. Housekeeping is just things like deleting pages marked for deletion, double redirects, and the like. Why do you need to know?--Otherarrow 12:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering. --Thenewguy34 11:09, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

184.47.49.116
This IP has been bugging me ever since I reported him for vandalizing pikmin.wikia.com. If he continues to bug me on this site, can you please block him? I personally do not like it when people troll or start edit wars. --Thenewguy34 22:35, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I already blocked him for vandalism.--Otherarrow 22:38, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

New Template Adding to this Wiki
I did create a template for Main Space Talk Pages and I wanted to make some reminders about the talk page by using Sigs, also make a note for incase if there anything that doesn't looks like belong in talk pages and belong to forums, and add about No Necropoisting, just incase. So what do you think?

User:King Marth 64/Sandbox/Template:Talk

02:38, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that posting that template on all the talk pages would be something we could actually be able to do, and personally, I think it'd look a bit odd. I guess I could see a "not a forum" template that is posted on offending user's talk pages reminding them of talk page policy, but the people who'd need that would probably just ignore it anyway. Sorry.--Otherarrow 02:48, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I got that idea from here from an another wiki and they posted it in Main Space Talk pages, so I just showing just incase and I am not talking about User Talkpages, I am talking about putting on Article Talkpages. I see a bunch of comments in Talkpages didn't have a Sig which some of them are monies and few are registered users and I am not sure if they saw the Talkpage note ("This is a talk page. Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ ) or the signature button"). 02:58, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you meant putting it on article talk pages. That's the problem. You know how many article talk pages there are? Potentially as many as there are articles. Do you want to be the one who goes to every single talk page just pasting that thing? Probably not. Also, again, this is just me, but I think having a big template on the top of a talk page that isn't a user page is kinda strange looking. And like you said, they already ignore/don't see the thing that is on the note, so how would they be able to see something that only shows up as code during editing? One more thing, a reminder, just because another wiki is doing something doesn't mean we have to do it, and vice versa. We are all special little snow flakes, with different communities and such.--Otherarrow 03:16, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

I did checked someone did reminded to other users to use sig. 1, 2, and 3. And I did marked a lot of Talk pages and Forums with the Unsigned Template. 03:22, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

We already have a polivies page, this template is unnecessary. Also, this template is rather large, which was the reason Otherarrow deleted the first Template: Needquote template to begin with. So I wouldn't complain about it. --Thenewguy34 10:00, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

April Fools Joke for Homepage
I got a question, what april fools joke are you going to make this year for the homepage since you did the This Guy Wiki last year? I got an idea of a new one:

Dragons Wiki, Swordsman Wiki, or Ira Wiki 07:29, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't planning on doing on. Last Year was pretty much spur of the moment, and I don't feel up to doing it again. So sorry, but no.--Otherarrow 07:19, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. 07:29, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Do something ridiculous. I once thought of ringing my neighbor's doorbell at 5:00 a.m. and saying, "April Fools!" --Thenewguy34 14:09, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

New Trailer
THERE IS A NEW TRAILER!!!!! As I am not a tech wizard, I do not know how to put it onto the site though. In the trailer, It has stuff about marriage and the duel fights.

There is a time for all things, and the end of a thing is better then the beginning. 11:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC) (Sorry, still have the same signiture)
 * I've seen it!--Otherarrow 14:37, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me where to find it? To put it on the site, use

Information that comes after the phrase "Context=" -- Thenewguy34 14:47, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Merging Axe Knight
Someone removed the merge template because it hadn't been merged at that point. If you want to merge it, then do so. --Thenewguy34 16:44, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean Axe Paladin and Great Knight, right? You think I should do it? OK then.--Otherarrow 16:46, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Mist
Somebody uploaded two images into her gallery that are similar to an image already there. These two images need to be deleted. --Thenewguy34 10:27, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I removed them from the pages they were present on, so I'll tell you them here. They are:
 * 1)  File:1 076.png 
 * 2)  File:1 079.png 

--Thenewguy34 10:35, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

hi otherarrow it`s me naglfar94 im sorry i did not know that the image`s went in a certain order im new here im new period to updating wiki`s so im not sure how to work everything.but if you can help me that would be great i became a member to add more info,image`s,quotes and stats and to fix the stubs.but im glad to see you are helping im just new here but all thoes image`s i added helped right?76.250.231.108 00:04, April 7, 2012 (UTC)naglfar94
 * Nah, it's OK. Sorry if I snapped at you without knowing it. The images did help, I did notice that we didn't really have much from The Complete and limited from Treasure. However, a few of the Treasure ones I had to delete, because they were images we already had, just not together (for example, we had the Treasure image of Radney, and of Roddlevan, so we don't need the Treasure scan of the same arts for them, but together. If that makes sense). If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.--Otherarrow 02:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Double Spacing Sentences
How come, when I double space to separate sentences (this is how formal writing is typed), it only double spaces in the coding when I publish it? I can double space every sentence in an article, but when I publish it, such change only applies to the coding; it still looks one-spaced. --Thenewguy34 10:53, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? I am not sure. Don't worry about it?--Otherarrow 13:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Featured Article Template
Should we create a featured article template so we can keep track of which articles have been featured? After all, other wikias do it, and it's pretty annoying to have to look in the history of the main page every time. --Thenewguy34 15:13, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't have to do that though. We keep a list of who wins each time. As for a template, what do you mean, like a archive template, or a big template we paste on the articles or something?--Otherarrow 15:15, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

You can see what I'm thinking of here. If you think it should look different, just say so on the talk page. --Thenewguy34 15:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything.--Otherarrow 15:55, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I removed it, but here it is if you want to see it:


 * Yeah, I would probably like any sort of Featured Article template, if we must have one, to be non-intrusive, kinda like how the Final Fantasy Wiki just has a crystal in the corner? Thanks anyway.--Otherarrow 00:04, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man
i'm hopefully back for a while, just been a very busy year (or two?). I don't think much has changed so I was just going to ease myself back into remembering the categories and the wiki code stuff, but it's already flooding back to me, so I think I should be fine. :)

I'll give you a buzz if I have any questions though.

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  20:35, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Fan works
Why did you delete the page Fire Emblem Photo Projects?
 * Because this wiki is not the place for fan made projects. Sorry.--Otherarrow 00:29, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

"Golem" Page
Could you do something about the "Golem" page? The author just put "Golems are something TRS related," or something to that effect, and put a Stub tag on it. Really?--Aivass Remurias 20:08, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

What do I know about TRS? I just created the page so someone else could add to it. I never played TRS, just the localized Fire Emblem games. I just created the page so someone else could expand it.--Thenewguy34 00:15, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Black Dragon Laguz Rollback
I noticed about a year ago that Black Dragon Laguz's account was hacked, yet that that account still has Rollback I believe. It might not be a great idea to leave Rollback on a compromised account.

On a similar note (and I hate asking, I really do), I was wondering if I might be able to have Rollback. It is totally not my style to ask, but I figured you would not know whether I was interested or not otherwise. Honestly, I haven't seen it being granted any other way, either. I'm just interested in helping keep article vandals at bay and protecting the work that myself and others have already done.--Aivass Remurias 12:58, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, you didn't have rollback already? I'd give it to you, but I feel kinda awkward about doing so now that you've asked. Other users have asked, and I've said no. They might get mad or something.--Otherarrow 16:25, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, well, like I said, other than asking I don't really see how it would happen any other way, especially if you thought I had it this whole time...I really don't see it as much of a big deal as far as status or anything, just an additional function. Actually I kind of doubt those other users would be justified in getting mad, since it really should be based on dedication to the wiki in terms of frequent, substantial edits and wanting to keep vandals away.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this...kind of a funny situation...haha...hmm...okay, I'm going to go cry now...maybe I will ask again in the future?--Aivass Remurias 16:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry about it. I decided to give you rollback after all. Your talk about it being "just an additional function" kinda convinced me to not sweat it, and like I said, I thought you already had it anyway. Sorry for any trouble. Congrats.--Otherarrow 16:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I definitely don't want to be guilty of not at least saying thank you, so thanks! =) I'm going to go to Wikia Central and read up on the new functions and their use. I hope I can be helpful. I guess I'll fix the Usernav template to reflect this recent shakedown, unless you want to yourself.--Aivass Remurias 17:03, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting we have that thing. I think it is super out of date anyway.--Otherarrow 17:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, yeah. I've found it to be very helpful in the past. I thought it was useful for having all the major contributors in one place. I actually just saw it, it didn't seem to be too far off, unless I'm wrong. Would you mind taking a quick look at it?--Aivass Remurias 17:36, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the non-mod users could use an update, but I am not sure who'd go on there or not. Sorry. Like I said, I keep forgetting we even have this thing.--Otherarrow 17:40, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Quote from Manga adaption about Miloah
He did have a quote in the manga adaption of FE1 in the flashback, but I couldn't understand it since the scan on Volume 10 is not in English (the scan of Vol. 10 - 12 was in Japanese from SF.net). And plus, I didn't have enough room on the summary to add that part, sorry. 21:57, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he doesn't appear in the game itself, and having that quote template might imply that he was. I think that if they don't actually appear in the game and are just mentioned, a quote isn't needed as much. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 22:09, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well actually, I do think there was other game canon characters that did appeared in the other manga adaptions that did have quotes such as Kurth, Ring, and Cigyun in the Seisen no Keifu (Mitsuki Oosawa manga) that they did appeared instead of making cameos or being mentioned. 22:23, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are actually saying here. I am not saying that you can't add a quote, more that since they don't appear in the game itself, they don't need a quote.--Otherarrow 22:35, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

So? If it just adding a quote from an manga adoption if they don't have one in a game, should I put it like this:

"Example"

- Example Quote in Mitsuki Oosawa manga adaption

So that it won't get them confused? 22:49, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. That's fine.--Otherarrow 22:53, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate/Superseded Files
Recently, we have come into possession of a lot of these. I think they should all be found in Category:Pages proposed for deletion.--Aivass Remurias 04:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for checking that. Actually, I'm glad to see we kept a few of those (some were very hard to tell if they were duplicates, especially the Merric Complete one). As for the TRS portraits, I thought they were just low-res versions of the ones we had. Again, glad you fixed that, too.--Aivass Remurias 04:38, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the thing about the Merric Complete was that it had a nonsense filename, I moved it to a better one but forgot to correct it on the page. As for the TRS portraits, yeah, a lot of the art is basically the portraits, but as drawn artwork. But there are some differences, some subtle, some not so subtle (like Mel's ever changing outfit)--Otherarrow 04:41, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

We have some more pages/files in Category:Pages proposed for deletion. If you could check these, I'd appreciate it.--Aivass Remurias 22:27, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.--Otherarrow 22:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

That's Funny
I undid one of your revisions, and it said that you undid it! Isn't that hilarious? --Thenewguy34 20:17, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because I did undo it? It turns out I had route and rout right the first time and just noticed. I think we undid it at the same time, and mine went through first, but since there was no real difference between revisions, it didn't give you an edit conflict? I am sorry if I offended you in some matter.--Otherarrow 20:19, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Answer
"Wait, so if you knew what needed to be done, why didn't you do it yourself? I don't understand."

I have other stuff to do- quite a bit, in fact. --Thenewguy34 20:09, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not like it took me very long to do it, so I expected that you could have done it while you were formatting the Kakusei data. Since I didn't know that you are busy, I thought you were just being lazy. Forgive me.--Otherarrow 20:13, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Heirhein Page
Just like with the previous Golem page, the Heirhein page was made by Thenewguy34 and it's just "Heirhein is a place in FE4" with a couple tags. He can at least try when he makes a page.--Aivass Remurias 21:37, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, at least he got the game and vaguest definition of the place right this time. Better than "some manga thing". I'll try to flesh it out.--Otherarrow 22:38, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Improving The FE4 Charstat Template
Check this out when you have a minute, if you please.--Aivass Remurias 23:23, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Copy/Paste Error
It would seem I've lost the ability to copy/paste somehow...I still want to continue with the improved Charstat FE4, though. Has this ever happened to you before? Any idea on how to restore it?--Aivass Remurias 03:15, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have never had that happen, so I don't know how to help. Sorry. Do you want me to take over from here until the copy paste comes back?--Otherarrow 03:18, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I managed to fix it, but while I was delayed, Engweimin went off on his own and made some unintended edits (such as putting actual stars in for Leadership). Could you ask him to give me some more time? I think he misinterpreted the message I left on the Charstat FE4 Template Talk Page. I appreciate all your help.--Aivass Remurias 03:33, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I told him. You may want to talk to him yourself and tell both of us when you are done for the time being, so we don't start stepping on each other's toes and such. Thanks for the help!--Otherarrow 03:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I will do just that. I am sorry for the confusion if there was any. I will continue on with the edits.--Aivass Remurias 03:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hereby apologize if my edits have offended anyone. I shall hold off from editing until you have sorted out the template issues then. --Engweimin 03:41, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no, you have done nothing wrong. In fact, you have done just what was asked of you. Aivass just wanted some more time to get more himself so we don't accidentally start edit conflicting each other and getting all tangled and such. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 03:44, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize, friend. I'm not offended in the slightest. I was just having some temporary computer trouble and I think there may have been some slight misunderstanding back at the Charstat FE4 Template Talk Page, that's all. No harm done.--Aivass Remurias 03:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Also, I did some tinkering, and the CharStat can hold up to seven of the stars without forcing the "Inherited Items" thing getting squished and taking two lines and such. Should we uses the stars?--Otherarrow 03:44, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure on that. As in, I'm undecided at this point.--Aivass Remurias 03:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm uneasy, but only because I'm thinking of all the FE5 characters that would need it too...can we save that for another day, maybe? The idea is growing on me.--Aivass Remurias 04:01, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * On the stars? OK. Let's focus on finishing this first for now. Are you able to continue, or should me/Engweimin take over?--Otherarrow 04:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still good to go for a little longer. I'll let you both know.--Aivass Remurias 04:06, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Leadership "Stars" In The CharStat Templates
I looked over everything and I'm not really for it anymore. The reason is, while one can fit up to 7 stars without a double line penalty, it comes at the expense of all the other columns, some of which (Holy Blood, Weapon Levels, etc.) do not look so good when one has to read them from top to bottom, one word at a time, instead of on one line. That's my two cents. Anyway, I'm continuing the editing now, as I found where I left off.--Aivass Remurias 04:17, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, that is understandable. Thanks for looking into that.--Otherarrow 04:20, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I actually might have a very good use for those stars. I think we should use them for the Major Holy Blood weapon levels, if you know what I mean. Right now we use *, but if a given character has, for example, a droppable item as well, it looks the same, which is slightly confusing. Wouldn't it be better if the two were more distinct-looking? So take Aless for example: instead of Sword - * we would have Sword - Star. What do you think? Does that sound good?--Aivass Remurias 07:11, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Progress On The Improved FE4 CharStat Template
After almost 7 hours, I finally got all the way down to Lana and finished that page up, which means we are now done with that little project. It took longer than I thought, maybe because I was noticing little things here and there to correct along the way. I want to thank you for your help. And now, I will rest for a bit.--Aivass Remurias 10:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

hey Otherarrow can you restore the Elwind page it got messed up i tried to remove the need image template and that happened. i got the image up there though it just needs placeing.i also have the missing weapon stats if it`s neededNaglfar94 02:36, April 23, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Thanks that was fast sorry about that.im still getting a feel for how to use thing`s up hereNaglfar94 02:45, April 23, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * It's OK. If you have any questions, be sure to ask me.--Otherarrow 02:49, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I was just over on the Futurama wikia
correcting a few double redirect to kill time before my first lectures today, and they have this badge system (kind of like achievements) for editing, do you know anything about this kind of thing? is it exclusive to a few wikis or is it an easy option across wikia? and how would you feel about employing a similar scheme here?-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  08:53, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is my opinion, but I think that we should save badges for when we need to promote the site, like when we're short-handed in regular contributors. We really don't need to get distracted with badges while we're trying to add information about Fire Emblem: Awakening. --Thenewguy34 11:16, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

hmmm I see the point, but i'd say we don't ever want to be in a situation when we're short of people and so constant small promotion is better than large promotion but only every so often. Also I was thinking this could be one of the projects for me, since I don't really like adding info on a game I haven't played myself (you may have noticed I don't do much on the FE2 and FE3/12 pages). So its not like any less work is being done on my part.-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  12:56, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * How would that even work? What wouldn't stop a user from getting a bunch of badges and start acting smug and superior to the other users? And then people will fuss over someone got X badge even though user Y did the same thing, and so on. I personally can't see this working out.--Otherarrow 13:02, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not really for it, either...--Aivass Remurias 15:23, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Here's this info about badges for wikia, this might help explaining about it. 17:03, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dunno. It looks like to me something that encourages competition among users, and not in a good way, but in a "prove that you are better by getting more badges and moving up the leaderboard" kinda way. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 17:55, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Two New Template Gifts for this Wiki
I am going to show you that I made a Userbox Template for this Wiki for admins and rollback users can have these templates that I made: Template:Admin & Template:Rollback.

So what do you think? 01:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not bad, though I question the use of Trainee unit Amelia for Rollback. I don't really use userboxes personally though, but the other users might find a use for them.--Otherarrow 01:50, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * They're nice, but I wish we didn't have them, for the same reason I'm against badges...--Aivass Remurias 01:53, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but since userboxes hold no real meaning and are just for fun, I see no harm in having them if some users want to use them, even if I specifically don't. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 02:13, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

I guess it's ready now since I rename it to User:King Marth 64/Sandbox/Template:Admin & User:King Marth 64/Sandbox/Template:Rollback to Template:Admin & Template:Rollback. 03:31, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Can you please change the second color of Template: Rollback to something that's not blue? It makes it hard to read the text. --Thenewguy34 00:24, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Seisen no Keifu Music
um Otherarrow is it all right if you preset a page for me?im makeing a new page to add to fire emblem seisen no keifu.im doing a music track list for it but i need that big grey grid thing they go in like on monshou no nazo thank`s i will be back later i have to do somethingNaglfar94 01:39, April 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Preset? I don't understand what you mean. In this case, I would copy paste the template on the FE3 page and edit it accordingly. Would that work?--Otherarrow 01:47, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

yeah i think that will work i just need that grid thing and im all set so im gonna make the page later you will see it soon but i need to gather as much info on the soundtrack as possible.the new page will be here soonNaglfar94 07:20, April 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Leadership of Recruitable Characters
I have a FE4 question related to recruitable characters that have Leadership Stars (Aless, Altenna, Hannibal, etc...). Do they retain those Leadership Stars once they are recruited? This subject came up as I was updating the FE4 CharStat Template.--Aivass Remurias 04:58, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I think they lose them once they are recruited (presumably because they err to Celice's leadership?) I could be misremembering though.--Otherarrow 13:14, April 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes they will lose the leadership stars. Unless it's FE5. --Satria Hitam 11:09, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you.--Otherarrow 12:40, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

What?
There's reclassing in FE13? Geez Louise, do we really need to recycle that? It wasn't terrible, but using it too much makes it bleh. --Thenewguy34 11:38, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

fair enough
I disagree and think they're a nifty idea, but I suppose its not something worth arguing for right now if the majority is against it.

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  15:31, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

hey Otherarrow the song list page i was talking about is up now you can check it out now to see how it is.it still needs work though as it`s not complete so when you get the chance would you mind doing some editing.it`s in seisen no keifu thanks i hope i did good for onceNaglfar94 05:16, April 27, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

3 Pages To Delete
Hi, I was wondering if you could have a look at Category:Pages proposed for deletion. We have 3 pages in there currently.198.111.164.120 13:55, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

hi Otherarrow i took a look at the song list page i made it look`s better now but that`s not all the song`s i have to do this in little part`s because there is so many.ah yes i will proofread well i guess i will add more to the page i need alittle hand though it`s so many track`s in the OST for that game alrighty i will add on some more part`s see you later.76.250.231.108 00:47, April 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * OK. I will do what I can to help. Thanks for all the hard work!--Otherarrow 00:51, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thenewguy34
I just wanted to briefly mention to you that this user is starting to irritate me a bit. What with the inserting nonsense into a page, creating pages like "Luck Cry" is a skill from Fire Emblem: Kakusei just to get it off the wanted pages when he knows next to nothing about the topic, chastising me for correcting a major error on a forum post, and reverting edits like the recent Athena page activity, I'm a bit at a loss at how to handle it. I figured rather than confront him directly about it (seems like a bad idea, didn't want to fuel the flame), I thought the most constructive thing would be to possibly ask for advice on this one.

The Athena page revert thing is kinda what did it for me...I mean the reader shouldn't have to guess whether or not anyone supports her (ex. they could think we might not have filled it in yet)...ehh I could go on but if you check the page's history you'll see...it's about completeness, man...

--Aivass Remurias 01:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do admit, he is starting to bother me as well. The part that got to me was the whole Assassins thing, where he priorities a unneeded redirect to the Assassin class page over the actual chapter called that, to the point where at one point he made the page as "Assassins is some manga thing" just so he can point to the Assassin class page at the top. I'll talk to him. As for edits like the one on the Athena page, edit what you think is right. Revert him if you feel his edit is wrong. You probably should talk to him too.--Otherarrow 02:17, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, I remember the "Assassins" bit now, I had forgotten about that one. It's just that I'm not great at this sort of thing, and I don't want to come across as "superior" or something ridiculous like that. I don't want to make him mad or upset at all, and I just feel that might've happened if I had talked to him first. It's a sensitive matter, to be sure, so I appreciate your expertise.--Aivass Remurias 02:33, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest, I am no expert on this kind of thing, and I am trying not to look like I am superior either. I do hope that this can be resolved peacefully.--Otherarrow 02:36, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I know what you mean. I didn't think of it that way, though. And yes, I totally agree. I'm all for peace here. Talking to you first just seemed like the most sensible way to attain it, I suppose.--Aivass Remurias 02:53, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Navigation Templates
What order do the weapons in navigation templates go? On template Axenav one your edits said that the template needed a cleanup. What did you mean? --Thenewguy34 10:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Axe template pretty much had all the entries just kinda thrown in there without any rhymn or reason. I prefer that the normal weapons can go from Bronze, Iron, Steel, etc, but the special weapons go in order of game appearance (ex, all the Axes that first appear FE1, then the ones that first appear in 3, etc). If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 12:22, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

27.108.200.7
Can you please block this IP for his vandalism and spam? Also, please delete HOT COCK and Gimle, spam pages he created, as well. --Thenewguy34 11:38, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

hi Otherarrow im sorry to have to keep coming to you for help but how do you add a gallery section to a page that does not have one? I have a picture to finally be added to the fenrir magic page hmm you know what i will upload the photo and put it with the others and then maybe it can be added.Naglfar94 07:42, May 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh yeah i wanted to let you know that there will be small changes to the charcters with holy weapons in seisen no keifu.i want to change the stats to their true value for enemies that have them.since they never change weapons so mind as well put up what they are i.e alvis has 40 magic thanks to fala flame.Naglfar94 07:58, May 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * No, we usually don't take in weapon or skill effects in mind when calculating stats. Also, galleries are made by
 * --Otherarrow 13:20, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

sorry Otherarrow i did thoes changes yesterday really late and you were not up there that`s why but other wise i would have waited for your permission i was the onley one on at that time it was like 4:24 A.M when i did that sorry.71.234.234.240 19:01, May 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I guess it's alright. Sorry if I did get a little upset.--Otherarrow 19:41, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Archive about Votes for Featured Articles
Can you please archive the old votes now on the Fire Emblem Wiki:Votes for Featured Articles since its now time to feature and plus, there was a question from the anon on the talkpage of the Votes for Featured Articles about suggesting about Protect the Page from IPs since the rules say that IP votes are not allowed to vote? 20:22, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

It seems rather unlogical to not protect it. I don't see why he hasn't protected it yet. --Thenewguy34(Other) 23:01, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Awakening Navigation Template
I think you should definitely separate the children characters from the parents, kind of like the FE4 Nav Template. It makes the template easier to use. Also, any idea when we will be using that template around here?--Aivass Remurias 17:53, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll take that in mind. But would Lucina go with kids or the rest? Also, I am waiting for a bit more info to come out, so I don't miss any important terms or anything like that.--Otherarrow 17:57, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say she should go with the kids for now. We can always easily change it later, if needed.--Aivass Remurias 17:59, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, updated it. You still think I should launch it now, or should I add anything else? Also, Gangrel question.--Otherarrow 18:46, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, sorry I didn't see your most recent post on this topic. I'm not sure what extra info you are referring to that you are waiting for, but that's just me. The Gangrel question is...a very, very good question. You're right, he doesn't have the excuse the Wolfguard did in FE3/FE12 so...I'm at a loss for now regarding that. I'd say you could launch it when you feel you are ready, and we can always modify/discuss the Gangrel issue at a later date.--Aivass Remurias 03:06, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Wanted Pages
In the wanted pages, #134 and #144 are either remnants of pages you already deleted or broken redirects. However, I'm not able to even mark them to be deleted. could you take a look at those and get rid of them?--Aivass Remurias 18:05, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * What pages are those exaltly? You don't have to link them, just tell me.--Otherarrow 18:46, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Telling you the numbers was the easiest way, as the names are long and you can see what links to them, but here they are:


 * Talk:Hoping for fire emblem 3ds coming to ameriaca/@comment-Thenewguy34-20120425001515
 * Hoping for fire emblem 3ds coming to ameriaca

Let me know.--Aivass Remurias 21:21, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Strange. I think I've deleted both of those...multiple times. I wonder, what is linking to them to make them show up?--Otherarrow 21:44, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

In the wanted pages list, you can see what is linking to them.--Aivass Remurias 21:48, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Thanks.--Otherarrow 21:51, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

hi Otherarrow i saw your other message finally it`s alright you had everyright to be upset im still very sorry.next time i want to change somthing like that im just going to wait and make sure your around and ask sorry but atleast now i know more of how thing`s go up here.well i won`t be on for a few as i want to take a break from updateing stuff but i will be back because i need to finish the music list page that i started.Naglfar94 09:37, May 5, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Adding One More "Did You Know" To Template:Know?
We currently have 9, and since 10 is a good even number and none of the current ones have to do with FE6, could we add this?

"...that Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi is set 20 years after Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken?"

Seems like a good idea to me! Let me know.--Aivass Remurias 18:01, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Do you need me to add it, or can you do it? I honestly don't recall if that thing is locked or not.--Otherarrow 18:22, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

It's definitely locked, so I can't.--Aivass Remurias 18:29, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Adding some color to Monobook skin?
Despite some skins being filtered out from that change a year and a half ago, I've noticed how there are wikias that have color in their monobook skins. Then, I look at this skin and notice how white it is. I mean, even Wikipedia has a shade of gray on the borders. If you know how to add a colored skin to the monobook layout, can you please think about adding one?

If you don't know, I put up a forum post on Community Central, since I want to know how to add color myself. --Thenewguy34 20:16, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I really have no problem with the white, so even if I did know, I probably wouldn't change it.--Otherarrow 20:41, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

It personally bothers me, having a page with no color. --Thenewguy34 11:19, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Skill Navigation Template
Regarding the Skill Nav Template you have planned, I'd say go for it, as it's way better than what we currently have (especially with the large amount of skills introduced in Kakusei). As for the questions you have associated with it, I'm really glad you're asking them, actually. Those are very good points. However, I would recommend going for it and hammering out those particular details later, but that's just me. What do you think?--Aivass Remurias 03:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

New Skill Navigation: Sol
I just wanted to quickly point out that "Sol" on the new skill nav should probably be changed to "Sol (skill)". That one step would proabably fix a lot of disambigs. By the way, I have been working on Special:Disambiguations, so eventually I hope to correct all or most of them.--Aivass Remurias 15:45, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I just copy pasted from my sandbox and added the Awakening section, so I must have forgotten to change it. Thanks!--Otherarrow 15:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Similarly, changing "Jamil" to "Jamil (Gaiden)" on the Gaiden Nav would most likely fix 100% of the Jamil disambigs in one simple edit.--Aivass Remurias 16:03, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Need help
Hey otherarrow i did a new page i will be doing new updates but not anymore not now later on as i need some rest.but now i got more stuff and lot`s of photos to add up here but beware though some of the photos are kinda blurred but clear enough to see,the reason why is becuase i had to snap the pictures myself from off the TV and the battle animations go fast but they are good i got a good shot of thor hammer off my game.i also needed help with the add gallery to the pages i know how to do it all now but how do you move the gallery to the bottom of the page?becuase when i tried on the gungnir page the new photo went on the top.so it looked sloppy so i just stopped and took the photo and gallery downNaglfar94 07:56, May 8, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Trabants page is completely normal now Otherarrow i changed the stats you forgot to change back from last time so it`s how it was the first time now.Naglfar94 08:14, May 8, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh no mistake big mistake..the Fenrir picture...too big the size need`s serious editingNaglfar94 00:16, May 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

um Otherarrow...i was attemting the charstat,chargrowth thing and i thought i knew what i was doing but it came out wrong where is the grey grid it is supposed to go in?how do i get it? because right now it`s not looking right it`s on bantus page.i am logging off now as my time is up but it needs fixing.Naglfar94 05:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * If you are having problems adding a template, look to what other pages from the same game are doing. You were not even using the right templates. The FE3 stats use the FE1 template, the growths are 1&3. If you don't know how to use a template, you should ask before you make a mess of a page trying to figure out what you did wrong.--Otherarrow 13:04, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Sorry if I came off as rude there, but it's not exactly pleasing to the first thing I see when I log on is you telling me that you are having trouble with something relatively simple. I will admit, your editing is getting better though. Good job.--Otherarrow 13:12, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

FE13 Navigation Template
I noticed a couple of things that could use adding/changing on it: --Aivass Remurias 22:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * C9: Holy Queen Emelina is not on there
 * Some of the spellings on the page "List of Fire Emblem: Kakusei Chapters" don't match those on the template (S1, C6, and C14 for example)
 * We could probably add "SpotPass" and "StreetPass" to the "Other" section
 * Most of those were just typos and mistakes on my part. Sorry.--Otherarrow 22:15, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks for the fix! Also, I think we might eventually might need a section on there for the "Downloadable Episodes". Here is a list of them for your reference, and you could probably abbreviate "Another Story #" to "AS#" if needed, like how you abbreviate, for example, "Chapter 3" to "C3". I'm already using these names for the DLC characters' appearances. --Aivass Remurias 06:52, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Another Story 1: Spirit Talisman 1
 * Another Story 2: King vs. King (Emblem Side)
 * Another Story 3: Spirit Talisman 2
 * Another Story 4: King vs. King (Holy War Side)
 * Another Story 5: Gold and Silver
 * Another Story 6: Spirit Talisman 3
 * Another Story 7: Red vs. Blue (Seals Side)
 * Another Story 8: Light vs. Dark (Light Side)
 * Another Story 9: Entombed Heaven

As Double is a new game mechanic, it might be good to put it in the "Other" section as well.--Aivass Remurias 07:01, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I added double. I am not sure if we should add the DLC chapters with the others or just make a whole new section. What do you think?--Otherarrow 12:52, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'd say make a whole new section called "Downloadable Episodes".--Aivass Remurias 15:01, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
Thank`s Otherarrow sorry about the bantu page though so certain FE games share the same template set up basically right? oh yeah i was practicing on editing pages so i got alittle better at it i hope my editing skills get better.as i feel bad that everyone has to keep coming and fixing up my mistakes,also about the Pent thing that i wrote i wanted to share it because i noticed it happens in my game if i keep one of them rescued and the other falls. you have a copy of FE7 right?you should try it on the final chapter it really happens i wish i had a camera so i could record how it look`s because it`s quite odd though don`t you think?71.234.234.240 05:16, May 12, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Wanting To Discuss A Potential Disagreement
Hi Otherarrow. I wanted to discuss a potential disagreement we might run into in the future regarding boosted stats in CharStat Templates (whether it be due to a Dragon/Beast Stone, Skill or Equipment). My view on the matter has evolved somewhat with the introduction of more ways that stats can now be boosted. My position is neither to add just the boost together with the inital stat, nor omit the boost altogether (both portrayals appear very misleading from a gaming perspective, a perspective this Wiki emphasizes). I feel we should show both the intial stat and the boost amount for completeness sake. For example, if Character A has an initial Defense of 10 and has a Skill that boosts it by 2, we should show it as 10+2 in the Def column. Since this is similar to my original mission of including Affinity in the CharStat, I feel strongly about this, actually. Could we have a discussion about it at some point? I would take full responsibilty for implementing it, although honestly, there aren't that many CharStats that would be changed.--Aivass Remurias 16:24, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think we should show the boosted stats in that manner, then go ahead. I have no problems. I feel kinda eh about making a while discussion about it, as either it goes quiet really quick, or there is a lot a bickering with no one saying anything new or convincing anyone else.--Otherarrow 16:58, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Though if you want to discuss it, I could work something out. Your choice. I still think you should just go ahead though.--Otherarrow 17:07, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for hearing me out. I'll just go ahead with it. I originally meant to just discuss it with you, anyway. Also, I added a short addition to your previous message "Skill Navigation: Sol" that might have gotten overlooked with all these changes to your talk page. I try to avoid creating new messages about the same things if I can to avoid overloading you with messages.--Aivass Remurias 17:15, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Gradivus
Otherarrow I have a question regarding the Gradivus page. in the Monshou no Nazo section it says in the Effect thing gives 2X Exp and negates critical hit`s,now the 2X Exp part is right but it sure does not negate criticals I have a copy of the game and used the Regalia weapons and criticals can still be done on you. you think we should edit that part?I will just stay put for now i won`t touch anything though i will see what you think of this.Naglfar94 23:39, May 12, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * If you think something is wrong, change it. No biggy.--Otherarrow 01:40, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Alright will do
Hi Otherarrow alright im gonna change it Becuase the sacred weapons nulling criticals is alittle missleading.I was nervous to change it that`s all..i did not want any one to get upset with me but anyhow thank you!time to do some editing.Naglfar94 01:54, May 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Not Merging Battle Monk and Battle Cleric
You said that was for the same reason we don't merge Cleric and Priest. What is that reason, gender? --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:35, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the game itself considers them separate classes I think. If not, when we wouldn't have both, now would we? I am sure that there is some statistic difference that we just don't know about yet. As for Cleric and Priest, not only are they specified as different classes, in some games, they even have different promotions. Don't worry about it.--Otherarrow 19:39, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Question about censoring
Aren't we supposed to censor profanity on the wiki? After all, that is what he have been doing since that policy was established. Why then, did you undo my revision with Gandolf? --Thenewguy34( Other) 21:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, no. Since when have we been censoring profanity? I've only seen you do it. Also, hell isn't a cuss word, or at the most, a mild one. Regardless, don't change the actual in game dialog for the sake of censorship..--Otherarrow 22:00, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, the policy refers to users cussing and the like. The in game dialouge is not to be messed with.--Otherarrow 22:03, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Seisen no Keifu Character Pages
Hi there Othearrow, I have been thinking about this for a while, but don't you find that the tables used to present data (such as base stats) for character pages seem rather dull? Furthermore, the tables also seem to take on a 'cluttered' sort of appearance, with certain phrases, due to space constraints, being continued on the next preceding line.

As such, I propose that we use weapon icons to represent the various weapon types, and the Holy Blood icons to represent each characters' respective Holy Blood statuses. As for dealing with the differentiation between Minor/Major Holy Blood, I could upload images of their respective orbs (as they appeared in-game), and place them beside the respective Holy Blood icons. Furthermore, the skill names could probably be replaced by their respective icons as well.

Thanks for taking the time to read through this paragraph, and I hope to receive a reply from you soon. --Engweimin 14:36, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cluttered? Well, I think there is nothing to do about that except alter the size of the offending sections so that they are large enough to fit the data (and even then, if the template ends up "next" to the character infobox, it will be squished down. Anyway, I suppose I have no real problem with using weapon and Holy Blood icons, though I do fear that putting them next to the text will just clutter things more. If you think it's a good idea, I have no problem if you just go ahead (of course, I think we should do the same for the other games next.)
 * A question though, will we be putting in the icons for the individual weapons as well?--Otherarrow 14:45, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose we will, as long as the spaces in the boxes permit it. --Engweimin 15:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've no problem with the idea of having the weapon icons put next to the weapon names (like with the Live Staff on the Lana page), but outright replacing the Holy Blood, Skills, and Weapon Types links with just the images? I can't say I like that...--Aivass Remurias 16:08, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would prefer if we had the icon with the words, but I understand if it'd take up too much space and clutter things. I'll experiment with it.--Otherarrow 16:35, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I added the icons to the Celice page and didn't notice any real problems with space and such. Could you guys take a look and see how it stacks up?--Otherarrow 16:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out later today. I think all of this is a fine idea, I'm just not for replacing the actual links. It looks like everything except the Holy Blood and Weapon Levels gained by promotion have both images and links, but since the Holy Blood is FE4 only (and only for characters that possess it), I'm willing to give it some time. Looks like there is space for everything, but I'll have to look at it later...again, my thanks to Engweimin. He/She's doing a fantastic job with these pages.--Aivass Remurias 06:38, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * The icons for Celice's Baldo Holy Blood indicator are stacked up one after the other, when viewed without the expansion option. --Engweimin 02:53, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Scrap that. I managed to fix it. I shall implement this format to the other character pages. --Engweimin 02:57, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

71.200.21.242
Can you please keep an eye out on this IP? His edits have been rather disruptive. I left a message on his talk page, but I still ask that someone keep an eye out on him, as I must leave the wiki in a few minutes for the night. --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:17, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

More to come
Hi Otherarrow I checked some of the pages and I have to say the choice of Edit`s are great!I also I wanted to let you know that I got a bunch more images for certain pages that will be useful.mostly for the class pages that either don`t have images at all or lack them,so the gallery sections for thoes pages will have work done soon.but for now I won`t be doing anything as im taking a break from Editing stuff up here I just want to sit and watch for now.71.234.234.240 03:43, May 19, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Question
Should we create a Category:Maintenance for things like Merging Pages, Deleting Pages, Cleaning Up pages in Format, and Cleaning Up Biased Pages? I really do not see how Category:Clean Up belongs under "Needs more information". --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:22, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Screenshots
hello Otherarrow about the screenshots yes I shot them myself that`s why some are blurred I have the games too.I got a superfamicom last year for cristhmas,don`t worry the photos are legit just that some are poorly shot becuase timing thoese battle animations right is hard not to mention the camera used is bad becuase it takes two second`s to acually shoot the photo.sorry if some came out bad.Naglfar94 00:48, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Huh. That's pretty neat. Don't worry about the screenshots, those will do until we can get some clearer images. Thanks for all the help!--Otherarrow 00:52, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

your welcome!I`ve got a few more images to put up for today I will get more when I`m not too lazy to take the picture`s.I`m also trying to fix the class page`s by adding the maximum stat`s.Naglfar94 00:57, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh yeah don`t worry about earlier. it acually take`s me a bit longer to catch on because I have aspergers.Naglfar94 01:08, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Edit Button Bar Missing From MonoBook View
Have you noticed that the edit button bar, which used to be just above the edit space when editing a page, is now missing from MonoBook? This is a problem. I used that for many different things. My browser tells me there is an "Error on page" in the bottom left every time I edit a page, and I can see some of the error messages. Could you perhaps bring this to the attention of the Wikia Staff so we can get this fixed?--Aivass Remurias 17:20, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * The bar shows up just fine for me in Monobook (which is what I always use). How strange. Maybe it's just something on your end? Is the edit button bar still gone for you?--Otherarrow 17:30, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's still missing. I'm pretty sure the problem is with the webpage itself...I don't know what to do...--Aivass Remurias 17:51, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * What page are you getting the problem on? This one? Sorry I can't be of help, but I am not having any problems on my end.--Otherarrow 18:07, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

It occurs on any page with an edit space (so basically the edit screen). The edit buttons bar at the top is still missing for me due to an "Error on Webpage". Is there any way you could ask the Wikia Staff what to do? My editing ability will be limited until then.--Aivass Remurias 18:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not having a problem either. How about you ask, since you are the one having the problem? --Thenewguy34( Other) 18:36, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, and I wish I could help, but I don't know what to say! "A single user is having problems with the edit screen in Monobook, but since I am not having that problem, I don't know how to help." Besides...I kinda don't know where to ask the Wikia staff anyway. I've never had to before. Sorry again. I wish I could help.--Otherarrow 18:40, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's okay. I will contact them myself. I just now found out how to do so.--Aivass Remurias 18:47, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Sorry if this comes off as rude, but mind telling me? I want to know in case something like this comes up again.--Otherarrow 18:50, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Well, I was planning on using this: http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:How_to_report_bugs --Aivass Remurias 18:55, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks.--Otherarrow 19:10, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Should we delete this template?
According to Special:UnusedTemplates, the following template is unused, and has no articles linking to it:

Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0

I am asking you instead of marking it because it seems important, despite being unused. Should it be deleted? --Thenewguy34( Other) 20:26, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep it around just in case. Helps to be safe than sorry.--Otherarrow 20:39, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Question
I have to call it a night (it is getting rather late), so I cannot continue cleaning up the wiki tonight. If you are still here, can you please pick up where I left off and start clearing out stuff like unused templates/photos, categorizing stuff, and whatnot? You can find them here. You never know what is on a wiki until you look in here! --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:26, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you labeling everything that isn't being used up for deletion anyway, even templates that you don't even know what they do. For all you know, you could be getting me to delete something crucial. I check all of those things periodically. Don't worry about it and, I'll be honest, you are coming off to me as kinda smug with that last line, like you found something I didn't know about and was rubbing my face in it. Sorry if that sounds kinda rude, but it is the impression I got. Again, sorry. I could just be feeling off. Anyway, most of the templates still there don't actually need deleting, at least as far as I can tell.--Otherarrow 00:34, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Template
It turns out the template that Thenewguy34 had you delete, Template:FE3&5/note2 was to be used for FE5 supports. The one we still have, Template:FE3&5/note is used for FE3 supports. I just now discovered this. Any way to bring it back?--Aivass Remurias 01:05, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was able to restore it. I guess it goes to show, sometimes just because it isn't being directly used doesn't mean it isn't needed.--Otherarrow 01:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Bond support might also be a similar case...--Aivass Remurias 01:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Otherarrow,

Why'd you delete the pictures I made (Blacktemple.png, Eightlegends (Names labeled).jpg? It took me a while to make those. It just seems unfair to see them deleted now without an edit summary saying why they were deleted. At least add an edit summary explaining why stuff is being deleted.

--Tobi 02:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Both of those were images we already had (We have a cleaner version of the labeled Eight Legends, and the Black Temple image was literally a dupe of a image we already had in use). Sorry for any trouble.--Otherarrow 02:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia section question
hi Otherarrow I have a question regarding the trivia sections.when is it alright to add them? because I noticed that when I add them they get taken down soon after am I doing somting wrong?am I missing info?Naglfar94 20:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Well, I guess it depends on what the trivia is. I personally disapprove of trivia entries I see as coincidental (such as "This guy vaguely looks like that guy from that other show" or "this gal has the same voice actior as some other guy from a unrelated thing"). What are you trying to add?--Otherarrow 20:15, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

well I tried to add it to Sylvia`s page and it`s gone now I don`t know who did that and the Pent and louise glitch you explained to me why it could not be there so it`s ok.Trivia section`s are not that important are they? I guess page`s can do without them.Naglfar94 20:28, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * What did you try to add to Sylvia's page? But yeah, Trivia is optional.--Otherarrow 20:40, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I put in how she was originaly planned to have blue hair at first but was later changed to green but I guess maybe that part for Trivia kinda lost it`s point as her concept art is up there and she has blue hair.Naglfar94 20:55, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Yeah, I thought with her concept art there, it was redundant.--Otherarrow 21:11, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Alright all is in agreement then it`s alright everything is done for a reason afterall.well I have to go do some fast editing as I`m not going to be up here very long as I have to leave somplace soon.Naglfar94 21:17, May 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

File:Blacktemple.png
Yesterday you deleted it, but gave no reason whatsoever. Yet, it was on Black Temple before I replaced the link with a needimage template. Why did you delete this image? --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:24, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Wiki said it was a duplicate of another image. An image that didn't show up in the unused images section. You were the one who came in here making a big deal about how I needed to delete unused images, so I did so. And now that something went wrong with your little plan, you are trying to pin the blame on me? Really now? I admit, I made a mistake, but I didn't notice I was making the mistake.--Otherarrow 23:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

What image was it a duplicate of? --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:30, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't recall. All I know was that the Wiki said it was a dupe, and that it wasn't being used. So I deleted it. But I restored it now. It seems that the Wiki's cache or whatever doesn't "update" the Unused Files special page when the files actually get used.--Otherarrow 23:32, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Sorry if I came off as rude there. But yeah, it does come off like you were bugging me to delete unused files earlier, then blame me for wrong doing when I deleted what the Wiki identified as a unused file. It kinda annoyed me. I've probably been coming off as an ass lately, I'm sorry.--Otherarrow 23:36, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Kakusei items
The items are indeed named like the Japanese skills, so Sol is Taiyou (Sun), etc. I personally think it would be best if these items were added to their Gaiden pages (like what you did with Moonlight/Luna) and have their names changed to the localised versions (although for Astra, you'll probably want to call it Astra (weapon) or something since it's changed weapon types), keeping the Japanese names are redirects. Especially when these items now grant the same skill as their name.

On a related note, I noticed the Swordslayer page doesn't have the sword variant from Mystery of the Emblem and the remake. I'm not sure if the data is on a different page or just not added. Aveyn Knight 15:13, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Swordslayer from New Mystery is at Sword Killer, which is where the same sword from Mystery was. My reasoning was, well, one's a sword and the others an axe. Do you think we should merge? (And for that matter, is Swordslayer "Sword Killer" in Japanese? I heard somewhere that the New Mystery Swordslayer was Swordslayer, despite being identical to the Sword Killer from Old Mystery) I think I am a bit uncomfortable with merging Astra Bow with Shooting Star Lance or Sol Sword with Sun Lance, since, again, one is a bow/sword, and the other is a lance. If I were to use Sword Killer/Swordslayer as an example, I'd say keep them separate, but I am not sure if I made the right move there either.--Otherarrow 15:20, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just checked, and yes, Swordslayer and Sword Killer are the same thing in Japanese. Derp on my end. As for the Skill Weapons, I'll probably just cave and merge them, as I do think they were added to represent Gaiden in the Legendary Weapons department (since Gaiden is lacking in those. The Skill Lances are the closest we got not counting the Falchion).--Otherarrow 15:31, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, I was also thinking they were representing Gaiden as well. It helps that Sol can be found at Warm as well. Ah, so it was at Sword Killer--no wonder, I was searching for Swordkiller. Aveyn Knight 15:54, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

no problem
hi Otherarrow I understand now so I add in TCG image`s for the category+the characters category alright I get it.the image`s are ok though right? sorry if I have been going into image overload lately it`s just that some page`s I see need image`s bad or don`t have any at all so I`m sorry if that`s causeing some trouble.Naglfar94 02:27, May 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Oh the images themselves are fine. I just wanted to give you a heads up on the categorizing thing. Thanks for all the help.--Otherarrow 02:58, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

oh ok thank`s the last few TCG image`s I have been doing what you told me TCG image`s+character image`s in the category section.

oh by the way Otherarrow is it me or is putting image`s on this wiki the fastest and easiest thing to do up here? I mean it seem`s easy image`s is the thing I first started editing when I joined then worked my way up.Naglfar94 03:17, May 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I am not sure actually. Maybe some people find it easier.--Otherarrow 03:17, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

yeah that`s true I guess it depend`s on who does it. well I`m going to find a few more image`s and then move on to class stat`s thank`s for helping me out up here by the way.Naglfar94 03:22, May 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

sorry for the late trouble but how do you change the category once its there? because my keyboard decided to mess up and it put in A for lena`s category.Naglfar94 03:48, May 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Multiple IP Address Vandalism
Hi Otherarrow. Just recently, I encountered some vandalism occuring by one unregistered user using multiple IP addresses, and alternating between them on the same pages in an attempt to thwart the Rollback feature. The pages were Abel, Syrene, Marth, Est, Ephraim and maybe Elincia and Micaiah. Here are the IP addresses used by the vandal. --Aivass Remurias 05:48, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * 68.227.50.8‎
 * 71.32.249.81‎
 * 75.135.85.119‎
 * And the nony: 68.227.50.8 was switching the older artwork back on the Ephraim, Elincia, and Micaiah, but we did put it backed the way it was and I did leave him a message about the artwork and he did edit my message in a that was kinda nuts and I putted back the it was also in his talkpage. 06:04, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: He's just followed us here and the other nony: 75.135.85.119 did removed Naglfar94's message in his talkpage as well. 06:16, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I blocked them. Next time, actually post links to their talk pages or something. Makes it easier for me.--Otherarrow 16:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't link to their talk pages because they were messing with those and the VSTF came and were in the process of deleting them. I thought they would show up as dead links. Thanks for taking care of that, though.--Aivass Remurias 00:12, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Is this fanart?
I am not so sure you will catch it if I did not ask someone, but someone uploaded a file about Lucina that does not look very canonical to me. However, I am not certain if this is fanart, or something from a manga. If you don't know the answer, I'll have to ask Aveyn Knight or King Marth 64. The file is File:Lucina.png.--Thenewguy34( Other) 09:51, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fanart, but fanart done by the official illustrator. But still fanart, technically.--Otherarrow 16:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reasoning
Ummm... I changed my talk page because I assumed that once the conversation was over, I should delete the comments, to prevent clutterization. I mean, why keep them?
 * Because they are comments made by other people. The same way, on a forum, you can't just remove comments you don't want people to see. Not to mention, it's rude to the people you were talking to. You can't just whitewash away any problems that come up.--Otherarrow 16:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess... Sorry, then?  I don't have any problem with the comments, I just didn't know to keep them.  Kingboo3000, the DarkMatter Alchemist 13:18, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

thank`s
hello Otherarrow thank`s I was wondering why only that image and the female mage knight image are only being singled out for deletion I`m..sorry if the quality is bad though it`s the best I could do at the moment intil I get a better  camera  I`m sorry if they are any bother.Naglfar94 03:46, May 31, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Deletion
Category:Pages proposed for deletion is starting to fill up again. --Thenewguy34( Other) 20:58, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's because you keep putting every single one of Naglfar's images up for deletion, without even attempting to find more suitable replacements. Yes, they are bad quality, but we got nothing else for the time being. I've said time and time again, that while the images aren't the best, they will do for placeholders until we can find replacements. Also, the generic PoR guy is...a generic PoR guy. I should probably make a page for generics or something, but the portrait isn't fanart.--Otherarrow 21:25, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Google Docs
Hi there Otherarrow, I am here to answer the question you posed on Randomtime's talk page. The Google Doc in question is one that I created when I received a spam filter error message when I attempted to publish the edits I made to the page. I merely sought Randomtime's assistance in helping me to publish the changes. Hope this helped to resolve our doubts. --Engweimin 12:28, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh alright. Thanks. I take it everything is working again, but do you know why you got the error message?--Otherarrow 12:50, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I haven't traced the root of the problem. However, editing on other pages have been perfectly alright so far. --Engweimin 13:00, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Misunderstanding
Hi Otherarrow while your correct about the sage`s shareing the same pallete I think your overlooking Sety`s I fixed it yesterday because Levin and Sety have a differnt color pallete. Levin`s is the purple one Sety has on the green and the generic enemy sage`s I forgot what their`s was.what does Hawk`s look like anyway? I never saw his yet I think I will check it out.Naglfar94 20:16, June 2, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I could have sworn that Sage!Levn and Sety looked the same. I just checked, and yes, you are correct. I don't know what Hawk's looks like, but I don't think they'd miss giving a brown haired guy green hair. I can get them missing Alvis, as if I recall, the only time you see him fight as a sage is during one of the unlockable demos (which shows him killing Sigurd). I guess in the prologue too, but I think he doesn't stick around for very long there either.--Otherarrow 20:22, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I finally saw Hawk`s sprite his look`s differnt too! he does have brown hair. I had to run to Youtube to see Hawk`s though as I don`t have him on my game Hawk`s sprite look`s way more differnt than Sety and Levin`s sprite put toghether.also Otherarrow is it ok if you Delete the Hell magic image I have up now?because I took a way more clear picture of it yesterday.Naglfar94 20:33, June 2, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oop`s never mind I got it you don`t have to do it for me.Naglfar94 20:42, June 2, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * ...I already deleted it though.--Otherarrow 20:43, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

yeah I saw thank you very much Otherarrow! is the new image any better though?Naglfar94 20:50, June 2, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

24.61.157.51
This user is a vandal who has vandalized the pages Sleep (condition) and Torch (item) in the past with this IP address, but was never blocked. Recently, the King page was vandalized and I happened to see it.--Aivass Remurias 20:47, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I need help again
umm..Otherarrow I wanted to make some new page`s for the unused skill`s in FE4 but I want to know how to add the little icon picture`s next to the word`s.as I don`t know how to do it so I though maybe you would know also I would like to know if the unused skill page`s are on this wiki already or not I searched for them but did not find any so I`m assuming no.Naglfar94 23:04, June 2, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * You just put the filename next to the word, like so: "[[File:Astra.png]]Astra is a skill. It hits people a lot."--Otherarrow 23:07, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I will try that.Naglfar94 23:11, June 2, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * No problem.--Otherarrow 23:14, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Otherarrow I did what you said..and well it did not come out quite right it`s how I wanted it but well it kinda..I can`t quite explainNaglfar94 02:34, June 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh thank`s I think I see what you did I`m going to try it with my next page thank you.sorry if I made you upset I did not know quite what to do all the way.Naglfar94 02:43, June 3, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Question
The rule states that "latest art goes." Why is this? I am starting to get tired of all of this reverting nonsense because people prefer the older art of characters they are familiar with. 'Can you please explain to me why we have "latest art goes" to begin with? I understand that you are trying to keep pages updated to the newest information, but all of this reverting over characters' portraits like Elincia and Micaiah is getting ridiculous. And protecting these pages to prevent such reverting also blocks other edits as well. --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:29, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest, mostly because the most recent art, especially in cases like the remakes, tends to be better, but sometimes it's because a character's staring role (such as being playable) is in the later game, even if they also appeared in the game before, but once we do it for one page, we got to do it for them all to be consistent. I admit, I don't like Micaiah's DLC art, but since pages like Sheeda (whose infobox art is from the second remake) or Sanaki (whose infobox art is from her playable appearance) and such use the latest artwork, I reluctantly keep it there. As easy as it would be to just put up the favorite artwork and call it a day, it's not exactly up to date, as you said, and it's not really consistent with anything. If I am making any sense. I will admit, there are a few exceptions, like Zephiel and Guinevere, who wouldn't really make sense to use the latest art for them, as they share artwork. Just be kinda awkward to work with IMO. But that doesn't really affect the Kakusei DLC. Also, I don't get why people are bitching about Elincia. Unlike Micaiah, it actually looks like her original designs, just in a different artsyle. I also noticed that they don't change it if they like the art, but get into edit wars trying to revert it if they don't. (for instance, I never seen anyone try to revert Roy or Alm's new art). Again, not very consistent.--Otherarrow 00:09, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Projects
Hi Otherarrow. Here are some of things I've been noticing and would like some help with when you have the time.
 * Template:Poll, our last uncategorized template, cannot be edited except for an admin. I noticed Poll2 has been put in Category:Polls, Category:Fire Emblem Wikia, and Category:Templates, so I was wondering if you could do the same for Template:Poll.
 * Category:Pages proposed for deletion includes 1 Template, 3 Categories and 1 File, last I checked.
 * I was looking at Template:Gmechs recently. I think it would be really great if it was organized by the game each game mechanic first appeared in, like the Skill Nav. Actually, I'm surprised no one has brought it up. Let me know if you need any help with this, although I currently don't have a Sandbox.
 * Recently, the Darkness Sword, Holy Sword, and Recover disambigs had to be made because of some recent edits. If you would be so kind as to handle fixing the FE5 and Staff Nav, I will handle the rest.
 * On the Akaneia Saga Nav Template, could you please change "Wolf (character)" to "Wolf (Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi)"? Once I've fixed all the remaining links to "Wolf (Character)", I guess I'll link it to the Wolf disambig page.

Thanks!--Aivass Remurias 15:01, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done everything except the Gmechs nav, mostly because I don't really know how to organize it, and, admittingly, I don't feel up to it at the moment. BTW, I've been considering letting Berwick Saga stuff on the wiki, despite my earlier complaints, but, yeah, a random bow with no context about how stats work isn't a good start. Of course, I'd be OK if no one else wanted the info either.--Otherarrow 15:54, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for your help! I suppose can reorganize the Gmechs Template at a later date. Also, it turns out that Recover is also on the White Magic Nav and Wolf on the BSFE Nav Template should probably be "Wolf (Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi)|Wolf". As far as the Berwick Saga information, I'm strongly against it. It would involve absolutely everything that's involved in adding an entirely new game to the Wikia, except it uses many mechanics, terms, etc. that are very foreign to Fire Emblem, all of which would need to be added and/or merged with what we have already. It's not like we're not acknowledging it, though.--Aivass Remurias 17:26, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

an important question
hey Otherarrow I have a question it`s not for help this time though.it`s about thoes Nav box thing`s I wanted to know who does the changing on thoes when new stuff is added to the wiki like for example hmm let`s see.. a broken lance it get`s added and then a few day`s later it`s in the Lancenav who does it and how? it does not seem any of us can do it so I was wondering.71.234.234.240 04:39, June 4, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

darn it sorry about that after I posted the first message I happened to look up and I`m not logged in every time I leave to a differnt site I get logged out.Naglfar94 04:50, June 4, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Actually, the nav templates aren't locked. So anyone can edit them. Just type Template:Whatever into the search thing and it will take you to it.--Otherarrow 11:08, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

oh so I just type in whatever templatenav template and it will popup? and then I can add to them? because I wanted to expand the classnav by adding the unused classes in if that`s ok.Naglfar94 22:01, June 5, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * It's fine, but be careful. The classnav has an order to it, and I would like to have that order or more less intact. But if it's out of place, I will just fix it, no biggy.--Otherarrow 22:04, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

another thing that`s been bothering me for awhile is the armorknight class page. I want to know if it should be seperated or not. because in FE4 their are differnt armor knight`s like the sword armor for instance, though it`s the same class at the same time I see it as a differnt class as normal armor knight`s used lances so should`nt the lance one be there?Naglfar94 00:17, June 6, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Two Questions?
18:57, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I wasn't sure if you saw this duplicate page of Evil Dragon Gimle? But I marked that page down with the Deletion Template.
 * 2) Also, in the Fire Emblem Wiki:Votes for Featured Articles, should this be featured now on the Main Page of FE Wiki right now since its 30 days are up?

FE1 Manga Image of Navarre
There was a mistake on the Michalis page that the File:MichalisManga.jpg on the gallery that was uploaded by CakewalkScragFunds on 2010 that wasn't an image of Michalis, that was actually Navarre, but can you rename that image file as File:MichalisManga.jpg to File:NavarreManga.jpg, I got the message from the current translator of FE1 Manga Translation Project from SF.net told me about this mistake to make sure get it fixed up. 22:17, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Or I can just delete it because it's, IMO, kinda a lousy image that doesn't illustrate who it's supposed to be at all. I read enough of the manga to know that Nabarl has a better image of him available than that vague, hair swishing nonsense.--Otherarrow 22:53, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

question about profile page`s
Hi Otherarrow I have a question about my profile page earlier I added a gallery to it and I put two picture`s of Mist up there and now they are gone. so I wanted to know if there are any rule`s or anything when it come`s to adding image`s to profile page`s were thoes two image`s not proper to put up?71.234.234.240 23:46, June 6, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * They were redundant images, in other words, images we already had/didn't need.--Otherarrow 23:50, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

oh I see so basically it`s don`t add copy image`s to profile page`s right? and I know putting fan art is aginst the rule`s too because their was an image that I liked on Fire Emblem world of Norne but I think that`s fan art so I did not put it. thank`s for clearing this question up I thought we could add anything to profile page`s except for fan art I will get some filler image`s for the two missing one`s later on.Naglfar94 23:59, June 6, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

They were basically duplicate files. I know that Otherarrow deleted the same images a couple of months ago. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:04, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that as well. Can't you just use the picture of Mist we do have?--Otherarrow 00:05, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

yes I will do that instead it is more simple. sorry about that I thought when it came to profile picture`s it was fine as long as they were not fan art and other stuff that did not belong up here I won`t do it again I`m sorry. when I get back on to do editing later I will add the Mist image`s that are already here.Naglfar94 00:13, June 7, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Question about categorizing
I am not so sure on how we should categorize Category:Fire Emblem games and Category:Game consoles. The special pages says they are uncategorized. --Thenewguy34( Other) 09:56, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest the creation of two new categories, Category:Software for the games and Category:Hardware for the consoles.--Aivass Remurias 00:14, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, that means that the Software and Hardware Categories would be uncategorized. Unless we want to get into recursive categories just to make sure everything is categorized, we have to draw a line somewhere.--Otherarrow 00:16, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Then let's categorize them into one, like Category:Fire Emblem games and consoles, which would branch off into the two that already exist. --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:49, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * You are not paying attention. If we make that category, then what will we categorize that as? And then what will we categorize the new category we categorize that as? This has the potential to go on and on.--Otherarrow 21:12, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I understand what you are saying. And you are correct, there really is not an appropriate place to put this new category.  That is why we have Category:Overview.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:58, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary Pages + Vandal
Hi Otherarrow, thanks for fixing the Divine Weapon redirect page just now. I wanted to bring up two things with you:
 * Recently some new pages were made "Part 1 (Radiant Dawn)", "Part 2 (Radiant Dawn)", "Part 3 (Radiant Dawn)", "Part 4 (Radiant Dawn)", and "Endgame (Radiant Dawn)". However, we already have the page titled "List of chapters in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn", making them unnecessary. The page we already have can be found on the FE10 Nav Template, on the sub-heading "Chapters". Could delete those first 5 pages when you get the chance?
 * 67.191.101.80 - This user vandalized the Ashnard page. I observed and fixed the vandalism 4 days ago, but I'm only just now telling you about it. Sorry about that, I had other things to do until now.

I guess that's it for now. Thanks in advance!--Aivass Remurias 01:01, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

ah what happened?
hey Otherarrow I have a question I added the appearance thing for the holy weapon`s and most if not all of them got undone. what did I do wrong this time? I thought maybe they would make thing`s equal since the Ichii-bal page has appearance in it I don`t know who did that one though it`s been their since before I joined this wiki.Naglfar94 23:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I thought most of them were kinda redundant with the images we have. Sorry.--Otherarrow 23:25, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

ah I see well it`s ok I just alway`s wondered why the Ichii-bal one snuck past for so long.Naglfar94 23:37, June 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

editing categories
hey Otherarrow I have a question how do you delete a category out of the little category box? because there is a category I have to change and I don`t know how to delete it.Naglfar94 04:34, June 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Really? You just delete the category from the page. Unless you mean something else.--Otherarrow 04:59, June 13, 2012 (UTC)--Otherarrow 04:59, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

oh so there is a small delete button next to the category? what I tried to explain was..well the grey box at the bottom of the page I don`t see a delete category anywhere because I want to get rid of the stub thing on some article`s.Naglfar94 05:41, June 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

You need press page edit button to edit whole page Then at the right side you should find all category that have been added to that page.--Fabsu93 13:58, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Fabsu93 I will go try that now I know what to do I will come again for help if I have trouble.Naglfar94 05:01, June 14, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Dragonstone page
hey Otherarrow umm I think the layout for the Dragonstone page should be changed. because I put in the stat`s for it in FE8 and now the page does not seem right especially since there is one in Kakusei too and that has stats what should we do?Naglfar94 09:45, June 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Any reason about Celica?
Is there any reason why did you remove the note from Cellica's page about the sources about Celica from Super Smash Bros. Brawl (that I know its not a reliable source for Localizing names) and the official website that have her name as Celica and what was bit too cumbersome about? 03:30, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because I thought it was too cumbersome, too wordy just kinda slowed down the opening line of the article. I think that "X (also called Y here and here and here and here and sometimes here)" is not preferable to "X (also called Y)" (though "X (called Y here and Z here" is OK, and if you want to specify one place where X is called Y, sure, but don't go make a list out of it) I do want to note if something comes from fan translations though (which in Cellica's case, does not)--Otherarrow 03:36, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well I think we probably needed to note it since there was like Celice's name secondary name Serlis was came from Nintendo Power first and the Serlis's name was later used on the official website as well and I checked on Caeda's name on Brawl did have Shiida not Sheeda and I kinda got that confused earlier before I joined in the FE Wiki thought Shiida was Japanese version, but I did not know that was her European name for the start. 03:44, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think if you can find a way to write it down without it being as, for lack of a better word, lengthy, I'd have no problem with it.--Otherarrow 03:55, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, what about make a side note like on Dieck's page that have Deke and Rutger as Rutoga in Brawl, will that work for Cellica's page or maybe just putted back "Celica in Brawl and official site for FE7"? 07:01, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually like the side note idea.--Otherarrow 13:12, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Question about Kakusei characters
Shouldn't we put stuff like "Ronku is the best at peeling vegetables" into the trivia section, since it really is not important to the story? --Thenewguy34( Other) 18:22, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd put it in the Personality sections when we get around to making those. It's trivia, but it's not what trivia sections are usually used for. If I am making any sense.--Otherarrow 18:24, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Lucina and Aether
In response to "I want to say she can learn Aether but doesn't start with it, but I am not sure.", technically it's an inherited skill, but she always starts with it since Chrom is always her father (Chrom's daughters always inherit Aether and his sons always inherit Royal Weapon). Are You Serious 02:05, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well yes, but I guess my question was more would she start out with it if Chrom didn't know it yet. After all, you can't inherit a skill that your parent doesn't know. Unless Chrom is a special case. Note that on Serenes, Aether is in parenthesis, but that could mean anything.--Otherarrow 02:08, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:On second though, I think I understand. More or less.--Otherarrow 02:09, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

how do you get a sandbox?
hi Otherarrow uh I want to know how do you get a sandbox on your profile page and what in the world is it`s porpose? because on occasion I see people mention it on wiki`s what does it do? because I think one of thoese would be helpful for me. so I just want to know alittle about it please. also the Hasha no tsurugi characters should they get a nav template thing for them soon?I`m not sure if they even have them.Naglfar94 05:17, June 22, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I just made one. I just linked to it on my page, clicked the link, and made it. Nothing special. Sandboxes are were people basicly mess around with template making or article writing before they post it.--Otherarrow 10:22, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

I asked the same question a while back. See here to learn what they are. Do not forget to link it to your user page, or add it to your watchlist so you have the link around. --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:25, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Naglfar94/Sandbox is a good location to create one. You can just create it like you would with an article.  Simple as that.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:31, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Should we start creating official weapon stat templates, instead of creating the ones where the raw coding is on the page, like on Silver Blade and Brave Axe? It might seem like an "unfeasible" project at this time, but then again, a copy/paste process is not as long as you think. I have all of the needed coding resources in my back-pocket, but I just want the go-ahead (by the way, if we did not create such template, why would we have character stat templates and not weapon stat templates?) --Thenewguy34( Other) 16:16, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't really know why some pages have "raw coding" and other pages have just the lists. Personally, I have no problem with just the lists. But remember, there will be not just one weapon template. There will be one for about every game.--Otherarrow 17:33, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Checking In...
Hi Otherarrow, just checking in again. Here are some things I wanted to bring up with you.

1. I noticed some recent images are missing some categories: 2. Could you move Template:Class and it's talk page to Template:Classnav? It's the only nav template that is not so named. It will create a redirect and I don't mind fixing everything that links to it to reflect the change. 3. On Template:Class, the recently added "Child" is a class found in FE9. I just wanted to mention that because it's not readily apparent now that so many pages will be linked to it. It was in the wanted pages for quite awhile. 4. Now that Fire Emblem: Kakusei is getting an international release, I'd say moving it to Fire Emblem: Awakening is inevitable. I'm totally willing to help with that, though, as it's a rather large task. If you change all the Templates (Template:Fireemblemgames, Template:FE13, and Template:UserFE13 come to mind) I'm willing to fix everything else. 5. Recently, I moved the Templates PoR, RD, and Laguz to FE9, FE10, and Laguznav, respectively. I've already fixed all the pages that link to them (giving them all a nice clean-up in the process), so I was wondering if you could delete the Template Redirects (PoR, RD and Laguz). 6. The Chapter Navigation box for Kakusei: Since the Sidequests don't work at all like they do in previous games (Ex. they can be done in almost any order, and starting after Chapter 13, the old way we have done it breaks down), there has to be some kind of fix. The way I see it, either FE13 Chapters and Sidquests just won't get one or I could just create 2 separate progression lines (instead of 1 like before): one for the Chapters and one for the Sidequests. As of now, I'm indifferent either way so naturally I wanted to get some feedback from you. Let me know if you want some clarification on this. 7. Awhile back, I went ahead and ordered Template:Gmechs by game appearance like we discussed. All in all, it's a pretty thorough job (based on what we had), but I was wondering if you could place the items in the "Unknown" section into the appropriate places. I wasn't sure about those, but there aren't very many. Once you get around to that, obviously you can just delete the blank "Unknown" section. 8. Magazine Scans on the Kakusei page...I feel they don't really add much at this point. We have all the images they portray (but in better quality), they're rather far away and in Japanese...I'm thinking delete. 9. I added all the "Game List" page links to Template:FE13. That was mainly to make sure we got the naming right without a bunch of redirects needed. 10. Category:Pages proposed for deletion has some things I found floating around. I totally agree with your prior decision to keep cropped versions of the TCG images around, but the ones I have marked for deletion aren't cropped, so... 11. As you know, Thenewguy34 recently proposed something along the lines of a Weapon Stat Template. Although I've no problem with the lists, I agree that some kind of Weapon Stat Template would be a great idea, rather than the raw coding that we currently use. It looks like we'll either need one for almost every game, like you said, or a more sophisicated, semi-condensed version I see that Thenewguy34 is tinkering around with in his Sandbox. I'm also looking into how this could work, and I'll let you know what I find out.
 * File:Armads art work.jpg
 * File:White wing sisters.jpg
 * File:Barts official art.jpg
 * File:Dew concept.gif (just needs "Category:Concept Art Images" I think)
 * File:Bishop_(F).gif (just needs "Category:Concept Art Images" I think)

As soon as I hear back from you, I'll begin work on whatever needs doing.--Aivass Remurias 03:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah...Making a huge ass list is just going to discourage me from responding to it, as you expect me to make decisions for a lot of stuff at once. No offense.


 * 1. Just categorize them. See Edit.
 * 2.Classnav already redirects to Class. Either way, it doesn't matter.
 * 3.No issue.
 * 4.It hasn't happened yet. The US stuff has it as just Fire Emblem. For all we know, they might pick a different subtitle.
 * 5.I don't think the template redirects are that much of a problem.
 * 6.I have no clue.
 * 7.I don't follow what you are saying at all. What is this about items? Items originated with the first game.
 * 8.Yeah, I'll probably just delete them.
 * 9.Uh...cool?
 * 10.I'll get to it.
 * 11.If you can actually make a working one(s) and are willing to at least start putting it on the weapon pages, go ahead I guess.
 * I probably missed something, but again, huge ass list from nowhere.--Otherarrow 04:06, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I did all the deleting. I do question if we should move class to classnav for consistency reasons, but on the other hand, it seems a bit...trivial? I am still not sure what you meant about the Gmechs. Sorry.--Otherarrow 04:21, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:I just checked those images you wanted me to categorize...and only the two pieces of concept art needed additional categories. The Barst one was miscategorized though (Shadow Dragon is not Mystery of the Emblem!) I am not sure what you wanted from me there.--Otherarrow 04:28, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that vandal was...pointless. What did he hope to accomplish? Doesn't he have better things to do with his time? I could go on for days.--Otherarrow 04:33, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I figured it would be better for you if I checked in every once in a while rather than coming to you for every little thing. I never had the expectation that you had to make any of these decisions immediately or all at once, either. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm really sorry if you thought otherwise. This just seems the most efficient way to communicate without creating a whole bunch of Talk Page threads to wade through. Hey, I know some recent actions by other users (IPs or not) might have you a bit frustrated (believe me, I can totally understand that), but realize I'm nothing like them. Yeah, maybe you were just a bit crabby, haha, whatever. Don't take this the wrong way, though. You're doing a great job.

I'm more about collaboration than just a whole bunch of different users doing their own thing (that tends to lead to misunderstandings and later, conflicts), so I thought you might like to know what I'm noticing and wanting to work on together. As for #2 and #5, I'm asking for a bit of assistance on your part. I don't mind waiting on #4 (actually, good idea), but just know that my offer (and request) still stands when the time does come. On #6, I guess I'll just go ahead with my second idea, and in #7, I guess "items" was the wrong word. "Pages", maybe? As far as everything else, I guess we can consider them resolved for now. See you around.--Aivass Remurias 05:14, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah OK, my bad then. Let's see...I still don't get what you are talking about on the Gmechs template. As for the nav templates, I'll go ahead and delete the redirects if you are sure you've changed all the links. As for Classnav, are you ready to help fix everything if I delete the Classnav redirect and move it and such? (Of course, that would make Class redirect to Classnav so it's possible that the pages won't even notice). Again, sorry for any trouble.--Otherarrow 16:05, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'm really sorry if I came across as rude in any way. Now that I've had some time to think on it, I see your point. I don't want to overload you. As for the Gmechs Template, I wanted to be thorough, so I have a small section on it called "Unknown" that has just a few more Game Mechanics on it that I wasn't sure about (as far as which game they first appeared in). I think the goal was to eliminate the section completely by placing the rest of the Game Mechanics to the correct game. I was hoping you could take a look at it. Regarding the Classnav, yes, I'm ready to help with all the necessary changes. I doubt the pages will even notice, but I'll get right on it. As for Template: Laguz, PoR, and RD, I fixed everything already and cleaned up those pages in the process. They should be ready to delete. Thanks for all your help!--Aivass Remurias 22:19, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you are good. I think I came off as rude more than anything. I already deleted the template redirects for laguz and the two games. As for the Gmechs, I fixed it, but I felt most of them was just common sense. The one that tripped me up, action tiles, says what game it is on the page. (I admit, rescuing coming from Thracia 776 may have been a problem too, but I knew that originally, it and capturing went together.) Anything else? You need me to move the class template?--Otherarrow 23:21, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of is looking into Category:Pages proposed for deletion. We have some misnamed WeaponStat Templates in there, although that's not all of them. Currently, we just have Template:WeaponStatFE7-11/start and Template:WeaponStatFE5&6/start made, so the rest of the misnamed stuff can be found by checking to see what links to those two. I think Thenewguy34 is working on the rest of the WeaponStats as we speak. There shouldn't be anymore misnamed templates to delete once those are done, though. Also, I have no idea what that deletion was about on your talk page just now. I think i fixed it, though.--Aivass Remurias 23:29, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, done. What is going on with the weapon stat anyway? I've seen a lot of back and forth there.--Otherarrow 23:45, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I apologize for that. For FE7-11, that was the first one so there were some things that needed fixing. I went over to Thenewguy34's talk page and gave him a chart I made that showed which Weapon Stats appear in which games, emphasizing patterns. If you take a glance at the last couple of threads on that talk page, that should probably fill you in. After some discussion, all is well. As for FE5&6, Thenewguy34 and myself were having conflicting edits (mostly with just the naming in that case), which are now resolved due to the deletions you just did.

Also, as far as Template:Classnav, no rush. I'll let you know once I've changed everything on each page, like with Laguz, RD, and PoR, if that's okay with you.--Aivass Remurias 00:07, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, fine by me. By that last remark, do you mean you will change the template links on the pages then have me move, or have me move than change the template pages? Because since if the link is a redirect, the template will still show up (I did a quick test) so either way is fine. In fact, I'll move it now.--Otherarrow 01:12, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, moved. Oddly enough, it seems some pages already linked to Classnav back when it was a redirect. How strange. Well, I'll get on it.--Otherarrow 01:16, June 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * You can see my talk page for that situation; Aivass and I are having a discussion there. --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:00, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

First template
Alright, the first template is done! It covers everything from FE6 to FE10 (Not FE11, we need to create separate rules for that due to FE11's similarities to FE12, and FE12 does not possess a weight formula). An example can be seen on Durandal. --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hey :P
Hey there. I'm new here, and if you need help with anything Sacred Stones-related, I'm your guy. See ya.-ZeypherMage7 (Sorry, haven't made sig yet.)

Confused
Just now, the recent changes is showing that I apparently deleted content from your talk page, but I never did. I just left a response to your message. I'm sorry, but I don't know how to fix that...--Aivass Remurias 22:23, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Check in
There are a couple of things I want to say: 1. Category:Improperly Named Files is filled with (take a guess). 2. Should we create a spoiler template? To notify when a spoiler is coming? Or that is too time-consuming to put on each page with a spoiler? --Thenewguy34( Other) 14:40, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't we already have a spoiler template?--Otherarrow 14:45, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. I have not seen one. I will double check, but I am pretty sure we do not. --Thenewguy34( Other) 14:47, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just double-checked, we do not have one. --Thenewguy34( Other) 14:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then we do not need one. Simple as that.--Otherarrow 14:52, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vandal
174.44.30.20 is the Vandal, on Lyon. I think a week or two will do. 92.13.77.142 is making destructive edits. --Thenewguy34( Other) 21:39, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I can see what goes on the wiki, you know. I am not restricted to this talk page. Also, making big headers and demanding that I read it alongside the other thing you posted at the bottom of the page (instead of putting this at the bottom of the page like you should have) is kinda annoying--Otherarrow 00:28, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fire Emblem: Shin Monshō no Nazo ~Hikari to Kage no Eiyū~
This is getting ridiculous. Will you please protect this page, due to consistent reverting of my edits? I keep stating, "With the release of Kakusei, it is unlikely it will be released overseas," but it keeps getting reverted to fans who are still waiting. They're not going to localize Fire Emblem 12; they've already announced localization for Fire Emblem 13. Therefore, please protect IPs from Shin Monshou no Nazo for an extended period of time. --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:25, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Iote Shield
The skill and item in FE13 are called Iote Shield, without the apostrophe. Should they remain uninvolved with the current article, Iote's Shield, unless an official translation adds the apostrophe and s? --Thenewguy34( Other) 21:25, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * What does the Japanese say? Does the Japanese for the skill match up with the Japanese for the item? I doubt they will suddenly change up the naming of a recurring artifact.--Otherarrow 00:26, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

is this ok to do?
Hi Otherarrow I had a question is it ok if I put videos on some pages to improve them a bit? such as the FE4 chapter pages I was thinking of adding the soundtracks on them since as you know the map theme changes on all maps so I thought maybe...well it would be neat to have that there so people can listen to the track if they want. I also found a good video for the magic in Seisen no Keifu it show cases all the first Gen mages and their magic I think that would go nice on one of the magic pages,I`m asking this because on the Kakusei page has a bunch of videos on it so I was thinking hey how about we put more so is it ok? or no?Naglfar94 01:01, June 29, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * I'd rather not. Videos on copyrighted stuff might get taken down, and I don't want to risk it.--Otherarrow 01:15, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

oh...alright.Naglfar94 01:30, June 29, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Recent Vandalisms
Hi there Otherarrow, the following IP addresses have been repeatedly vandalizing Sigurd's page for the past couple of hours: 50.55.219.6, 98.229.178.195, 24.210.69.111. I suspect that these repeated acts of vandalism could have some form of relation to the user Power Plus5, as they only started after I explained why Siglud's name should not be replaced by the ridiculous-sounding (and looking) "Zigludo" on his/her/its talk page. --Engweimin 09:18, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've banned all the IPs. As for Power Plus, if he is behind it, he will either try to strike again or was blocked off with the IP bannings, but it is possible that he is innocent and vandals just found a nerve to strike at with Zigludo after his revision was reverted. Maybe I am being too optimistic though. Let's wait and see.--Otherarrow 14:13, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the timely intervention; The "war" I had with the vandal(s) was crazy, so to say the least. I'm all for the wait-and-see strategy. --Engweimin 14:41, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Skill Template
Hi there Otherarrow, apologies for the intrusion, but I would like to inform you that I have created a template to showcase various skills (Template:SkillStat), seeing how the wiki does not already have one. I would appreciate it if you could peruse it and provide your feedback on it. --Engweimin 08:35, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no problems with it. A question, is each game appearance going to get a separate template, or are we going to cram it all in one template per page?--Otherarrow 14:39, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering how the statistics for skills have largely remained unchanged for the games, I guess we can stick to using just one template. I could make another template if you are not comfortable with the idea. :) --Engweimin 14:45, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, I checked out how you used it on the Aether page, and it's fine. Thanks for this btw.--Otherarrow 14:49, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

For the red icons
If you look at Category:Class Icons, you will find blue icons for un-recruitable classes, like Demon King and Gargoyle. Can you please get someone to get the appropriate icons for these un-recruitable classes while I am gone? --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:01, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, when someone comes around who can do that, I'll make a request or something. (Seriously, what did you expect me to do?)--Otherarrow 14:38, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Renaming the couple of Filenames
I have a couple of images that needs the names fix that you can might rename some of those Filenames, since normal user can't rename the Filename only admins can, but here are a couple of images that needs to be renamed: 05:14, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Femal Mage FE2 Map Icon.png|Femal Mage FE2 Map Icon.png as Female Mage FE2 Map Icon.png, I didn't know that I forgotten to add an E for Female when I uploaded and didn't realized that.
 * File:FE3 Chapter 14.png as FE3 Chapter 17 Part 1.png that image was on Setting Sun of Gra, not Land of Sorrow, I got the FE3 Map images from this thread on SF.net and that same image was on Setting Sun of Gra, not Land of Sorrow. I double checked on that thread.
 * File:Chapter3.png as FE6Chapter3.png on Late Arrival, File:04.png as FE6Chapter4.png on Collapse of the Alliance, File:05.png as FE6Chapter5.png on The Emblem of Fire, up to Final Chapter.
 * I moved all the images you linked, deleted the FE3 one, as apparently, you have no clue what chapter it actually comes from (Seriously, you said it was Setting Sun of Gra, wait no, it's Land of Sorrow, which shares a map with Setting Sun of Gra, wait no, it's Setting Sun again. If you don't know, don't try to strong arm me into changing the image pages around.)--Otherarrow 05:30, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I wasn't trying to strong arm you, I was kinda more confused when I was kinda need little help by giving out the sources of the images since you're the only admin active in this wiki, sorry about that, I was just kinda helping out. 06:02, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's no problem then. Do you know for sure which images comes from where now? Sorry if I came off as rude before. It's just, well, like I said, I've had to move and correct the image already, so I am not sure. But if it is from Setting Sun, we don't need it, as we have a image for that one already. Any other files you need moved? Again, sorry.--Otherarrow 16:03, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, it is indeed a bit late to comment, but I marked the Setting Sun of Gra image with [{Template:INF]] because I recognized it to be Land of Sorrow. It looks awfully similar to the Shadow Dragon map.  Are you suggesting that these chapters share the same map?  --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:22, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like these maps are downright similar. Here is the Setting Sun of Gra map from Monshou no Nazo, put here for people's convenience (those enemies in the corner are Dragon Knights, not pirates):

Msu8tc15c5E Here is the Land of Sorrow map from Shadow Dragon: baSa3PQeaLQ It appears they are identical maps, but host different battles. --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:30, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Adding couple things on the Did You Know... Thing
I think I found a couple more thing that might be interested for the Did You Know... template on the Main Page on the Fire Emblem Wiki:

...Ronku's seiyuu voice actor (Takehito Koyasu) from Fire Emblem: Awakening also did the voice of Nabarl from the Japanese version of the Fire Emblem anime?

...Ryuto from Fire Emblem Gaiden appeared in the Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi manga adaption, but did not appear in Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi nor Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon?

Would these kinda work? 04:23, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate to interject, but I'd really recommend not adding anything more to that, especially these. We already have 10, which is a good amount. The ones you are suggesting are a bit too specific, and one of which relates to the manga, but they should really be about the actual games. Again, I really hate to say stuff like this, but this is the second time someone has suggested things be added to it. It might be fine if they were solid suggestions, but these don't really match the "scale" of what we already have. I'd be interested to hear what Otherarrow says about it, though.--Aivass Remurias 04:53, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Aivass is mostly right. Ten is a nice good number, and what we got is fine.--Otherarrow 09:24, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Wait? Is ten the highest number that allowed to have room on the Did You Know... Template? 19:57, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, but it's a nice even number and fits on the main page how it is rather well, don't you think?--Otherarrow 20:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * But I personally think it is time to change things up a bit. Can't we just make it so ten are randomly selected (only one character should appear below.  It should be either Marth, Sue, or Roy):

*Marth *Sue *Roy

Is using this mechanism to include more than ten acceptable? Other wikis do it. --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:16, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Question
About the image on Axe Knight (Tear Ring Saga): it is not imported onto our wiki, and I do not know if it is properly licensed. I have to get off now, so I ask that you look into or get someone you can trust to look into this. Is this a problem? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 22:40, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you don't trust the source, feel free to get rid of it. I think someone will upload the icon to the wiki eventually.--Otherarrow 22:49, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

I just got that sprite uploaded to the page and I did checked on that image, that was from Aveyn Knight's photobucket account. 06:06, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, it was? It was probably ment to be used on his site thing. Wonder how it got hotlinked? Anyway, thanks.--Otherarrow 06:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Aircalibur
Ok, sorry about this, but is the Aircalibur name really official name that was given out or was that just fan translated name? 20:36, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? Beats me.--Otherarrow 20:58, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

And what about that part of the Policy about "Names for characters that appear in games that have not been released outside Japan shall be referred to with their official Japanese name, if available." and we did have those Holy Weapons from the Jugdral series where they given those name also. So, if we do not know if Aircalibur is an official name or a fan translated name, we probably don't have a clue about that Aircalibur name, correct? 22:59, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * So wait, what you are saying is, we don't know if Aircalibur is the official Japanese name...therefore, we don't know if Aircalibur is the official Japanese name. I told you, I don't know. Personally, I'd ask someone else who might know, like Aveyn Knight? I don't think he pulled the name out of thin air.--Otherarrow 23:44, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Mamucoot?
What is that the translation of? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 21:18, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mamkute, the Japanese term for Manakete.--Otherarrow 21:29, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I checked on the other Fire Emblem wiki and it did have and it did have "For Mamukoot only!" 18:38, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Apocalypse Image
Can you please restore it, save the file, and re-upload it under a new file name (if your device can do that; otherwise, leave it on the wiki until I can re-upload it under a different file location)? --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:22, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * What? Sure I guess? Since the damn thing doesn't have a file type, I can't move it or save it. You have to do it. Or better yet, just upload a different Apocalypse image and avoid all this nonsense.--Otherarrow 15:29, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I never played FE6, so I cannot upload a new Apocalypse. I will give it a shot, though, at re-saving it.  You restored it?  --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:05, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. Also, don't censor other people's comments. There is removing of insulting content (like someone cussing out someone else) an then there is just being a prude for the sake of being a prude. Use your judgement, don't just remove every instant of "fuck" or "damn" just cause.--Otherarrow 19:15, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm little sorry about this, but you do realize that FE7 and FE8 were rated E for Everyone (for seven and up) and I did checked on the Sephiran's talkpage and I did saw Semajdraehs censored Trueblade's comment had the F word and I did censored his cursing on the Noba talkpage as well. 19:33, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * PoR was rated T for Teen. I think there is a difference between censoring Trueblade's comments where he was blatantly cursing at people. Actually, that whole comment should have just been removed. I think the best option is to discourage cursing, and to revert it if, say, users are cursing at each other or a user is cussing someone out, but this whole "Oh! He said a bad word! Replace it with stars!" is, IMO, kinda silly and childish. There is a reason I said in the policies to keep it PG-13 at worst. Again, use your judgement. Sorry if I am making a bad move here.--Otherarrow 19:39, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Schizophrenic
Also, someone created this spam page called Schizophrenic. It needs to be deleted (in case you did not notice it already). --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:22, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't make new sections just to say "Oh! There is spam on the wiki! Delete it!" I can see. I patrol the recent changes. More often than not, I will have it gone before you finish typing your message. I'm keeping this here because I want an excuse to get that out here. If it has been around for a long time, then ask me. I may not have been around at the time.--Otherarrow 19:26, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

A few ideas
There has been a couple of things on my mind that have been pondering me:


 * Should we add the Task board to the sidebar? I think it would be useful if we had the link lying around, and it will keep people more on task. A how-to-do-this can be found here.


 * Should we start sorting stubs? For example, other than the TearRing Saga Stubs we already have:


 * Category:Akaneia Stubs
 * Category:Gaiden Stubs
 * Category:Judgral (FE4/5) Stubs
 * Category:Elibe Stubs
 * Category:Sacred Stones Stubs
 * Category:Tellius Stubs
 * Category:Kakusei Stubs
 * Category:Class Stubs
 * Category:Weapon Stubs
 * Category:Item Stubs
 * Category:Skill Stubs


 * All of these would be divisons of Category:Stubs, though misc. would already stay under Category:Stubs (any other Stub sorting categories I missed?) If it seems unfeasible right now, we have 1,037 unsorted stubs. It seems like a lot, but we can sort them in no time. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:00, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Does anyone use the Task Board? I kinda forgot that was there. I'll be honest, if no one is going to use it, I don't see the point. As for stubs, no. We don't need them. We used to have FE4 stubs and such, but they were deleted for being not needed. The only reason we have TRS stubs is because of the whole "TRS must be segregated from the rest of the wiki and mustn't connect to anything else in any way!" thing that was the rage when they were first being added to the wiki.
 * Oh yes, I did forget to sign. Thanks King Marth. My mistake.--Otherarrow 20:40, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * But we can at least try to start using the Task Board again; can we at least give it a shot? (The how-tos to put it on the sidebar, again, is here).  I remember Aivass saying he liked the idea of trying to re-use the task board again.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 21:56, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Template:NeedNoncanonInfo
I did make a Sandbox Template of NeedNoncanonInfo and I wanted to know if there's any need of modifications needed for Template:NeedNoncanonInfo before we use it, so that we can use it incase if there's a character page needs non-canon info such as Fire Emblem Anime (for Archanea/Akaneia characters), Manga adaptions, other franchise in the series? 18:36, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * This might be kinda stupid sounding from me, but do we really need a template saying "hey! We need info on stuff that isn't canon and doesn't really matter!" While adding the info would be nice, I don't think we need a bright orange temple asking people to do it.--Otherarrow 19:03, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well I was kinda made it and it does matter since I don't see alot of Shadow Dagon characters have many info about the manga adaption (I think its probably because of the Scanlation was up to Map 12 until the a new scanlator did help on the Manga for English readers and worked on Map 13 and more chapters) and I didn't see alot of FE4 characters have couple of info from the Oosawa manga and I did see it had in Sigurd's page and it had Pamela's info from the Oosawa manga and I'm not quite sure if its almost completed or not from a Couple of Months ago, and Ok, but what kinda color should we use instead of Orange to use it for the Template? 19:13, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure we need a template for needing each individual thing, actually. Maybe we can have a one "needsinfo" template, and have options to add what you think the article needs (like if it needs images, or a quote, or stats, or manga information, or so on). I think the need X templates we have are too much, since they stack on top of each other and take so much room on the page. If that makes sense.--Otherarrow 19:23, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Last time that I checked on the English Scanlation of Volume 8 in the manga adaption by the current translation, I did saw there was a back story of Navarre and I did saw that he was mentioned as an Orphan when he was a Child and I did saw Castor said to Caeda that he has a sister that was taking care of their mother while he's looking for a job to get the money for medicine and I did saw actually Ogma mentioned about Castor's mother asking Castor if he had heard that Castor's mother spose to be the Healthiest Person of Talys and his sister spose to be really good doing working really hard and I was kinda not sure if it was mentioned in the game or not, I wasn't exactly sure about it, but it wasn't mentioned in the Navarre's and Castor's page also? 19:45, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...What?--Otherarrow 19:47, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, sorry, I'm not good at making sentences, but I did got this from here it was under in Volume 8, I did doubled checked on my computer and its on Map 38.1 and 38.2 on Navarre's backstory, I apologies for the confussion sorry. 20:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I mean, what the hell are you talking about? I suggested the idea that we have a single "need stuff" template, then you start going off about Nabarl and Castor and stuff. I didn't say anything about the manga.--Otherarrow 20:59, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, did you move your test template into the main space after I told you "no, we don't need it, we have enough big templates as it is, we should instead have one template where we can list what we think the article needs instead of this huge things that stack on top of each other"? ...What was the point of asking me if you were going to do it anyway regardless of what I said?--Otherarrow 21:02, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't understand it was a No but I didn't see don't, I apologies about it sorry, I just got it little bit confused, but I didn't see any got mentioned in Navarre's and Castor's page, but I do think its needed to have it in there also. (I was kinda little confused) and I did shortened the image to make it smaller and I moved it back, sorry and I need to get going also and I have to do it get more info from Navarre's backstory and Castor's in the manga later also, I have to leave for right now, sorry. 21:18, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. OK. Hold it a sec. We are talking about two totally separate things. First of all, I don't have any interest in the manga right now, so talking about manga-exclusive backstories will just confuse me. On the other hand If you got manga info, add it! Second of all, I think instead of adding another template that would stack on top of all the others and take up tons of room and look kinda sloppy together, at least IMO, we should have a single template where we can just write what we need. Kinda like this from the Disgaea Wiki, only about pages instead of tables. If that makes any sense. That way, we can have the Needimage, Needquote, Needstats, and your Neednoncanonmangainfo template all in one thing, so they don't pile up all on top of each other. Of course, this is just an idea. If you don't like it, here is some feedback on your template: Why is it bright orange? Make it the same color as the other Need templates. And the other templates have a theme of GBA animations, so maybe work that into it instead of Sheeda?--Otherarrow 21:30, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not very good grammaring writing, but if I putted the info in, would an another user able to rewritted incase if there are a couple of grammar errors and fix it, would that work? Ok, I'll try to match the color from the other templates later. 21:39, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll look over it. What are your opinions on my other template idea anyway?--Otherarrow 21:41, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I mistakenly put to instead of from, sorry, but the other templates look fine right now, but it was my error, sorry. 21:47, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh don't worry, I didn't even notice it.--Otherarrow 22:10, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I personally myself am not in for this template. I agree with Otherarrow: "If you got manga info, add it!"  Chances are, since manga does not exist in the game, you probably know non-canonical info exists because you read the manga or whatever thing it is from.  Basically, I really do not think we need it.  If you know non-canon information exists, then go buy (or borrow) the book if you do not know the specific information.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 22:39, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Page to delete
If you can delete Mark (Kakusei? It doesn't have much content and it was a duplicate also. 01:29, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

question for a new template
hi Otherarrow I wanted to ask you somthing big well the Terrain and game machanics I wanted to know if you could make a template nav for them so they can be easier to find and to make the place more neat. It would also be nice if one is made for the stats too let me know what you think of this.Naglfar94 10:34, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94


 * We have a Game Mechanics template. As for the terrain, don't we have all terrain page merged onto one page? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:50, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

oh I did not know there was one for Game mechanics already but I have not seen one for the other two yet..Naglfar94 10:52, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

I checked just now Terrain types are listed on one page like you said.Naglfar94 10:54, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Template:Dispute
How did I do with Template:Dispute? Shinon's image indeed looks more far to the right than it should, but I did this in the wikia skin, partly since the formatting is more compressed (which is why Shinon's portrait is all the way to the right in monobook). In case you were wondering, since you seem to lack knowledge on the Tellius series, I chose the images I chose because of the Laguz/beorc prejudice. --Thenewguy34( Other) 00:29, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know enough about Tellius. OK, my main complaint is, well, it looks ugly. I get the joke behind Shinon and the cat, but with one being a portrait and another being a in game model, it looks really bad. Not to mention, nether images are transparent, so they just look slapped on. I'll be honest, and sorry if I come off as rude, but you "fixed" something that wasn't broken. I've reverted it to the way it was, as I though that worked fine.--Otherarrow 00:56, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I were to still get it in a box, like the other templates, would that be ok? --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:19, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Does this version work? --Thenewguy34( Other) 13:11, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's better, thanks.--Otherarrow 13:14, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Two questions to ask
I have two questions to ask you:


 * Does it really matter about what tense we write in (past or present)? I think past tense would be consistent for details about the story (ie. "Greil was killed by the Black Knight" instead of "Greil gets killed by the Black Knight"), and present tense tense good for everything else.


 * How would you classify this Dorcas example of bias? Omission bias (Leaving out points of view that do not agree with your own) or Spin bias (overemphasizing a "minor" situation factor to make it seem more important)?  --Thenewguy34( Other) 20:51, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we should be aiming for past tense for the story details, but just try to keep it consistent with the rest of the article. As for the bias, it seems to be spin. It is overemphasizing the lack of speed, but it doesn't omit the good points about him either.--Otherarrow 20:53, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Putting the Rule of Art to the Policies page?
I got a quick question, shoud we putting the Rule of Art to the Policies page, I tracked that some of the users keep changing the Kakusei back to the previous artwork to the character's profile template. I think we should kinda add that Rule of Art to the Policy page.

I did see a couple of changes that have been switching and we revert them back the way it was:


 * Micaiah - 4 changes
 * Elincia - 2 changes
 * Ephraim - 2 changes
 * Eirika - 2 changes
 * Lyndis - 1 change
 * Ike - No changes seen yet (One suggestion from the talkpage from a user denieded to use the Kakusei artwork and wanted to use the previous artwork and has been answered no changes allowed)

And I haven't seen any changes on Marth, Roy, Alm, Cellica/Celica, Celice/Serlis, and Leif yet.

And I saw an another user changed from an another character changing the artwork also:


 * Astram - 1 change (putting the NES artwork instead of the current artwork for the profile)

05:42, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I added something about it, but people will keep bitching about it and getting into revert wars over it anyway. You can't stop that. Some people refuse to be reasoned with.--Otherarrow 05:47, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

It has been a month now
And this edit request on the policies page has not been fulfilled (Dialouge --> Dialogue). --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:26, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean the thing I had no idea of as you just snuck it onto the talk page and didn't bother informing me of it? Seriously, I'm not psychic you know.--Otherarrow 13:05, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Morphnav
I saw the comment you left on the Templates Talk Page, so i wanted to say a few things. First, the template has been on the Task Board for the longest time, and absolutely no one questioned or bothered to remove it. Second, it's not "like having a War Dragon Nav or a Feral Laguz nav" because there are no unique characters that would justify the creation of such templates. Think of it like you would the Brandednav, for example.--Aivass Remurias 00:59, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I knew of the task board, I probably would have questioned it then, if not outright removed it. However, it does no harm I guess. And you are wrong, Ain is a War Dragon and Rajaion is turned Feral as Ashnard's mount.--Otherarrow 01:05, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I knew about Ain and Rajaion, but why would anyone make templates that have just one character each on them? That's why I said "characters (plural) that would justify the creation of such templates". Anyway, thanks for listening. I have to leave for a bit now, so I'll see you around.--Aivass Remurias 01:12, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Screenshots
"I am not seeing the point in all of these damn screenshots. Once more info comes out and we get more content, most of these are getting the axe."

- This is what you said 5 months ago about Fire Emblem: Awakening. Is it time to delete some of these screenshots? Some of them are basically duplicates, though you will have to go to some of the previous revisions to find them. --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:23, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. Gather the ones you think need to go and post links to them here, and I will take care of it.--Otherarrow 14:15, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

List of screenshots to be axed
Please mark anything deleted with FILENAME so I know what files have already been deleted. --Thenewguy34( Other) 16:07, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. I've done this on another wiki, and we found it easier if I just removed the links as I deleted them. Also, can't you gather them into a list before posting? Adding more and more causes edit conflicts.--Otherarrow 16:10, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. Here is the full list, excluding the first one:

--Thenewguy34( Other) 16:16, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done! Anything else?--Otherarrow 16:19, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I will have to look into it. The rest of the images I removed from the Kakusei page was official art, so not that I know of.  But if I spot a screenshot floating around, I will mark it.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 16:21, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Creating a potential policy?
I noticed that Semaj has a tendency to create a bunch of unneeded redirects, but not all of them come from him. For example, most of these "stupid" redirects are just ones that can be typed into the search engine by lazy people (FE: RD), or really just unnecessary (Alvis (Fire Emblem), Fire Emblem : Rekka no Ken). But seriously, can we please create a policy where all redirects have to be created for a legitimate reason, instead of creating redirects like plurals, or redirects that are not going to be used (i.e. "Ike (Fire Emblem")? Because I have found a bunch of pointless redirects sitting around like ducks.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:09, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirects are free. We can just delete the "stupid" ones, like unneeded tags or misspellings.--Otherarrow 19:11, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * But seriously, can we please do something to try to bar these "stupid" ones? --Thenewguy34( Other) 19:13, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Like what? I don't think people are going out of their way to make mispelled words into redirects, and a lot of the "stupid" tags are from previous page moves or are years old.--Otherarrow 19:38, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Signing Up
If I sign up for an account on the Fire Emblem Wiki(a), will it be valid across all of wikia.com, or just this wiki? -122.107.201.131 09:48, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I notice that this was answered on your talk page, but I will put one here for consistency: yes, you have access to all wikias, with the exception of Uncyclopedia. --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:36, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

More old screenshots to delete from Kakusei
They are in this gallery here. If you think there are others that should be deleted, see here and here. --Thenewguy34( Other )
 * Done.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:36, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Umm... I think we should restore some of these back, I had the 2 screenshots in the Unused Content Page (the File:FE3DS Fredrick Talking Map.jpg and the Cavalier with the Helmet on helping Chrom fighting the Barbarian also), because I saw that there was a couple of differences from the trailer and the game when I saw the Gameplay from YouTube and the Map images from FE13, they're way different, the Generic Swordsman image and the AwakeningScreenshot2 image as well. 19:45, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:52, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, restore File:FE3DS Screenshot 3.jpg, it is used in Level page and I checked on that File:AwakeningScreenshot2.png or jpg, it had Smia's icon different also, I need to use that in the Unused Page in FE13 also. 20:07, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I restored the file on the level page. I can't find the other file you are speaking of, but are you sure it had a different icon?--Otherarrow (talk) 20:24, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that image was shown on Chapter 4: Divine Sword Contest and she had brown hair on her icon in the game and it was blue in the trailer, I doubled ckecked. 20:34, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Do you know what the file was? because both of the suggested ones weren't it, I checked.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:52, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, I checked in my file that was File:FE3DS Screenshot 2.jpg had the Early Pegasus Knight Icon of Smia. 22:08, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done--Otherarrow (talk) 22:43, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

File:Evt ed.png
This file location still exists on Marth, but the redirect was deleted. Can you please view the revision history (since only an admin can do that to a deleted page), find out the new location, and fix the link on Marth? (also, am I making sense?) --Thenewguy34( Other) 10:54, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

More screenshots to delete?
Do you think they should be deleted? --Thenewguy34( Other) 11:26, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no problem with them at this time. Don't post them here unless you are sure you want them deleted.--Otherarrow (talk) 13:46, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

BS Fire Emblem
Ok, I'm little sorry, I was kinda helping out for looking something around useful for helping out of this wiki and I was kinda looking for map images for FE3 and FE12 (if they're avalable) to use it until I find the complete DS version of the map, I don't want to get into trouble, but also, I am not to sure if that guy in the might be the really him or not that I checked on his site again (I am not too sure how this person found it really that fast?). About the credit thing, how should I add the credit for those BS FE map images so that I will try do not do that again, should I just add the source to those image next time? I really don't want to get into trouble. 18:03, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you should get in contact with the fellow who runs that site first and ask permission. I think the IP might be him, he seems to be more polite about it than a troll would be. Then, when reuploading the files, just put "Credit to: ..." and so on.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:29, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but I will try to do that, but I'm little kinda know a little bit about spanish in that site (I am not sure if he's understand english or not - if he's can or using the translator or not) and I did kinda found the section of SF.net did have just the screenshot of the game, I'm still kinda looking for complete Map image so that we have it on this wiki and SF.net also. 18:53, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Strategy Section?
Should we move any strategies to an individual strategy section on the wiki - where any strategies on any pages go into sections (I can explain this better if you want me to - for example, the current ones on Radiant Dawn would be split into Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4, while The Sacred Stones would be split into Eirika section 1, Eirika section 2, Ephraim section, and twins united section). I notice that you are a bit iffy on change, but I will take this to a forum if that is more appropriate. Such category could also contain any game guides created by one user, or one game guide created by multiple users, using the current strategies we already have. so we can make chapter articles seem more encyclopedic by relocating strategies. There are many different strategies out there, so I think putting them into one spot would allow them to flourish a bit. And if you are concerned that this section would get too large, there are methods we can utilize to maintain it. An example of such category can be seen here.--Thenewguy34( Other) 23:22, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * So are you saying we should move all of the strategies off the pages for the chapters they go to, and cram them all together on pages for every strategy for that game? I don't think that is really going to work out to well, not to mention it would diminish the worth of the individual chapter pages. Also, remember, just because another wiki is doing it doesn't mean we have to do it.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:43, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Articles About Similar Games
I notice that we have articles for games with similar gameplay, like Advance Wars and TearRing Saga. About how broad do we keep our "similar gameplay" spectrum? I found a series with similar gameplay created by SEGA, but I am not sure if we should add it because it is not created by "Nintendo" or "Intelligent Systems". --Thenewguy34( Other) 14:23, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's not created by the people linked to Fire Emblem (Intelligent Systems in the case of Advance Wars, Shouzou Kaga in the case of TearRing Saga) it's not relevant.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:39, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

A couple of things
1. I intentionally misnamed the Rainbow Cry file to see if anyone would fall for it, but I did not do a very good job, because I was too distracted trying to visualize the Pokemon Charizard as a Red Dragon Laguz. Can you please rename the file and get rid of "(fanart)"?

2. Do you mind if I re-do the usernav template so it separates people into classes? (i.e. Sages and Tactitians, Warriors, Snipers, Thieves, etc.) You will soon see my ideas of this in my sandbox.

3. According to Google, there is a man named Rutger Smith (who, un-coincidentally, like the etymology section says, is Dutch) who is participating in the 2012 Olympics in London. Cool, eh? There is a dude participating in the Olympics who shares his name with a Fire Emblem character!

--Thenewguy34( Other) 13:26, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Purposely misnaming files is technically vandalism. Quit it. Also, why would the user template be divided into classes? It makes no sense. It's fine the way it is. Don't change it.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:06, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Question
On File talk:Resort is truly paradise.png, I said that we should delete it if it is not real, but even if it is real, I do not like the idea of having such image on the wiki. Can we please talk this over? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 20:29, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * That artwork was found from the trailer from yesterday, that was for one of the DLC episode for Series 2. 21:15, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

More FE13 Official names (but need a little help)
I just found more official names revealed from the character poll and I checked all the previous characters that have been renamed when they got revealed and they're the same, but I found more and I rename most of them from the poll given out and I am not finished yet, because I'm tired and going to bed right now and I need to get these names renamed and get them finish. And it have been shown on this topic on SF.net also, I didn't checked it earlier.

Here's these names that was on the official site:


 * Krom - Chrom (Revealed already)
 * My Unit - My Unit
 * Lucina - Lucina (Same)
 * Liz - Liz (Revealed already)
 * Frederick - Frederik (Revealed already)
 * Viole - Viaur (Renamed)
 * Sol - Sort (Renamed)
 * Soiree - Soiree (Same)
 * Vake - Wyck (Revealed already)
 * Sumia - Smia (Revealed already)
 * Mariabel - Mariabell (Revealed already)
 * Miriel - Myriel (Renamed)
 * Richt - Licht (Renamed)
 * Cullum - Callum (Renamed)
 * Ronku - Ronkuu (Renamed)
 * Velvet - Velvet (Same)
 * Tiamo - Tiamo (Same)
 * Gaia - Guire (Renamed)
 * Nono - Nono (Revealed already)
 * Sariya - Sallya (Renamed)
 * Grego - Grego (Revealed already)
 * Libera - Riviera (Renamed)
 * Olivia - Olivie (Renamed)
 * Serge - Serge (Same)
 * Henry - Henri
 * Sairi - Sayri (Renamed)
 * Basilio - Basilio (Same)
 * Flavia - Flavia (Revealed already)
 * Donny - Denis (Renamed)
 * Gangrel - Gangrel (Revealed already)
 * Valhart - Valhalt
 * Emelina - Emerina (Revealed already)
 * Renha - Lenha
 * Inverse - Inverse (Same)
 * Paris - Paris (Same)
 * Mark - Marc (Renamed)
 * Azure - Azur (Renamed)
 * Wood - Eudes (Renamed)
 * Noire - Noir
 * Dezel - Degel (Renamed)
 * Brady - Bredy (Renamed)
 * Cynthia - Cynthia (Same)
 * Selena - Serena
 * Chambray - Chambray (Same)
 * Jerome - Jerome (Same)
 * Loran - Laurent (Renamed)
 * Nn/Soso/n_n - Nn (Same)

character poll

So, I need like a helping hand with to do the others. 08:56, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I recall, those are internal names, and not actual Romanizations like Chrom, Wyck, etc were. The whole "Nagi/Naga" thing from the official sites for Shadow Dragon comes to mind. I'd wait until we see it in something a bit more concrete. Sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:44, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, seriously? Did you just do the "ask me if you should do something, but do it anyway before I can respond" thing? Again? If you are going to go ahead and do it anyway, don't ask me about it. Because, as seen here, sometimes I will tell you not to do it, and now it looks like you went against my recommendation for no stated reason.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:57, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Emmeryn, and the country of Plegia. Shadowofchaos (talk) 20:30, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just a little... somewhat bothered by KM64's edits to "official" NoJ names. The fan names have been there as a semi-legitimate way to determine which characters are which when discussing on forums and such. Since we only have the few names from the Nintendo Direct trailer to go with as official NoA localizations, whenever someone refers to a character on a forum with the NoJ names like "Sort" and "Eudes", we get confused. This wiki is perpetuating that confusion. I humbly suggest a rollback to the fan names UNTIL NoA names have been confirmed, like the cases of Chrom, Sumia, Sully, Virion, and
 * I admit, this may just be me being a lazy ass, but if we are going to move the pages anyway, why move them twice? For each page we move, we need to fix every single link to that page, and for something like, say, most of the cast, that is a lot of work that usually gets shoved onto one or two guys because the rest talk a big deal about what should be done but become scarce when it's time to actually do the work involved. However, I do sympathize with name confusion, and while most of the time the NoJ romanizations, while iffy, aren't radically different from fan names enough that no one gets who you are talking about (for example, as silly as Siglud is, if you call Sigurd that, people will know who you mean), while others...we get stuff like Eudes/Wood, who don't even look like they'd be pronounced anywhere close. As for "why you do you use the NoJ names even though you admit they are iffy and silly sounding", well...consistency mostly. If we call, say, Lleu by that name, but Nacian as "Narshan", it looks pretty inconsistent and sloppy to me. We've been going by a sort of naming priority "Localized Western -> Romanized Japanese -> fan names", though I admit, there are problems with this as well. Sorry to cause so much trouble.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:55, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess I concede to that logic. I can honestly see that as a MAJORLY inefficient move and wastes a lot of effort. Maybe I'm just a little used to Vincent changing the Serenes Forest mainpage names and such pretty easily. Wikis involve fixing links and such on every page you move. Also, yeah I remember the whole Lleu and Ray thing with people randomly rolling back/changing his name. Thanks for your time. Shadowofchaos (talk) 23:15, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sorry again for any problems with names the wiki may have helped caused elsewhere. Once we know what the localized names are, we should start to move them as soon as we can. We still get people who turn all the Lleus to Rays every now and then, but I am not sure if they are trolls or just confused since Ray is the more "accepted" name.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:32, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Note
You are without an editor for a week, though my edits have been a bit short of late... --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:16, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about?--Otherarrow (talk) 14:46, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

This is urgent I just came on and found this.
Otherarrow please get to this soon please I just now came up here and found a vandal up here and he created a bad page called whore Emblem here is the IP of the vandal 92.13.72.89 please do take care of it because I can`t undo his edit darn it.Naglfar94 (talk) 12:16, August 14, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * When you see a vandal page, just put it up for deletion. Don't post on the talk page crying like an idiot. That just makes something else I have to delete and doesn't help anything. Think next time!--Otherarrow (talk) 16:49, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * The code for putting a deletion template for pages is . 16:57, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Ok I`m sorry I did not know how to do the delete thing..Naglfar94 (talk) 03:53, August 15, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * This is a bit late for this conversation, but the actual way to put up a deletion template is . Not every page for deletion is Wiki Vandalism, only pages with legitimate names that are being spammed. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:11, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

ok thanks I`ll do that next time I see a vandal page or somethingNaglfar94 (talk) 00:35, August 19, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh and Otherarrow I am sorry if I made you upset I won`t do that again next time i will just wait I don`t want to get in trouble again sorry.Naglfar94 (talk) 00:39, August 19, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Need Class Stat Template
I started and finished making the Template for Need Class Stat for Class pages that needed Stats since we only have Need Character Stat Template and a Need Weapon Stat Template in this wiki and I see that the other class pages that are missing stats and I saw some of them used the Need Character Stat Template and we might need to replace some of those with the Need Class Stat Template in the Class pages that might get those out of the Wanted Category for Characters stats needed. So what do you think? I used the coding from the Need Character Stat Template and I used my own writing for that template. 22:32, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we aren't even sure what stats we need. Do we just go for maximum stats, or base stats or both or what? I think we should get that sorted out before we slap a template on everything. No use asking for something if we don't know what we want.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:37, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, we can just use this incase if there's no stats seen in the class pages like this one and this one also, correct? 22:41, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, fine. Just don't be putting it on pages where there are stats in some form, unless you know exactly what you want.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:50, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I just moved to Template:NeedstatU so that we won't have the Need Character Stats Template in the class page.
 * EDIT: I just changed all the class pages that have the Need Character Stats templates to the Need Class Stats templates and I just let Aivass Remurias know that a new template been added since he used the Need Character Stats template on the Class pages in the past. 22:56, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Question About a Redirect
Is Land of Sorrow (Shadow Dragon) a legitimate and not "stupid" redirect? I know our wiki policies say that pages use the first game they appeared in, but this redirect seems legitimate. I almost marked it for deletion, but I decided to ask you first. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:04, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no problem with it. Ankoku Ryu... is a long name to type out.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:44, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Fixing Wanted Page Links and Deletion Requests
Hi Otherarrow, it's been awhile since I last wrote on your talk page. As always, please don't feel you need to act on everything immediately. Anyway, I have some requests:

1. Many of the unnecessary/unused redirects that were marked for deletion still actually had links on pages. I fixed almost all of them, but there are still some in the wanted pages. The ones that remain where in places that I usually don't feel comfortable fixing, such as on discussion pages, user pages, and sandboxes. I'll list them here:
 * Wolf (character)‏‎ (1 link) --> Should be Wolf (Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi) or unlinked, whatever you prefer, appears on User:Otherarrow/Sandbox
 * Fire Emblem: Path Of Radiance‏‎ (1 link) -->Should be Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (link display on the actual page is different), appears on User:Lukichan13
 * Raven (laguz)‏‎ (1 link) -->Should be Raven (Laguz), appears on User blog:Aveyn Knight/Event-related theory of the Branded
 * Light magic‏‎ (1 link) -->Should be Light Magic, appears on Category:Light magic

Whenever I mark a redirect for deletion, I fix everything that links to it first. I've let the Thenewguy34 know what's going on as well. Actually, except for leaving links as mentioned above, he was doing a great job of getting them marked. They do clog up the search engine's link suggest when there are too many bad ones, so I'm glad some progress was made getting those taken care of.

2. In the unused images, there are many redundant (and poor quality) manga images that are unnecessary. As you've said before, we really only need a good page or two showing a good shot of the character/object in question. We aren't a scan hosting site (the images aren't even good scans anyway). There are also some poor quality screenshots that Naglfar94 decided not to use. I'd list them, but both the manga and screenshots I'm talking about are pretty recognizable.

3. Two redirect pages, Gallian and Loptousu, are unnecessary. With Gallian, I fixed everything that links to it, so it should be ready to go. As for Loptousu, it's using Engrish for only part of the name and not the other, which is silly. Loputousu is the correct redirect, and it is what was used in the translation patches.

That's all. It looks a bit much but I wanted to be specific. Thanks! Things are getting better!--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:19, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed all the things from the list that could be fixed. The ones left redirect to the proper page, but give no redirect thingy, so I can't click and see what links to it. I am in the process of going through unused images. I dealt with the redirects.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:34, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * And I dealt with the images. Geez. Why did he upload the whole damn books?--Otherarrow (talk) 04:44, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

You're a champ, Otherarrow. A true champ. Such a quick response! We are in very good hands, indeed. I will continue to do whatever I can to preserve and improve what has been built here. Many thanks. I added some notes to the remaining links listed above...whoops, take a look at File talk:Vampa Fire Mage.jpg (talk page of a deleted image). I'm sorry, I just happened to see that. Until next time, friend.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:59, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said, the ones I left on the list are the ones I can't even get to, so I can't check what links to them. They just redirect to the "intended" page, but without the normal redirect message.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:02, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Changing them on the pages they appear on will fix the problem.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:05, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the thing, since I can't go to the "what links here" for those redirects, I don't know what pages they appear on.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:08, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I misunderstood you at first. I was able to see what links to them from the wanted pages. I'll list the pages they appear on the above list for you.--Aivass Remurias (talk)
 * OK, I fixed the links.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:24, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I marked 3 more images for deletion, and just wanted to mention that the category that was removed on the Aveyn Knight blog post just now should be restored. I feel bad even mentioning it, so I'll clam up for awhile. Thanks again for all of your help.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:31, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears King Marth has been creating more redirects for us to delete. I have informed him about this and why it is incorrect to create all of these redirects. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:13, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Shadow Dragons and Blade of Light and The Binding Blade are the possible name titles for Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi and Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi that are mentioned outside of Japan in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and the Official Site. I figure it would help any fans who does know those possible titles, but not fimilar to the other name, I was trying to help out for this wiki. 17:52, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. We have a search engine.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:01, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * And what about some of the people that doesn't use search engines? 18:15, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * If they aren't using the search function, then how are they finding the pages? Wikiwalk from the links on the homepage?--Otherarrow (talk) 18:18, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * If we do not use the search engine, then we are going to create some of the most pointless redirects to help people who have not even played the game, like "Iron Spear" to Iron Lance. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:35, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

L'Arachel Files
I noticed that, in L'Arachel's gallery, there are a few files with the strange apostrophe that Naglfar94 uses, which we keep fixing. Is it appopriate to move them so they have the right apostrophe? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:54, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry about it.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:38, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

File:Wikia-Visualization-Main.png
That file you deleted yesterday was File:Wikia-Visualization-Main.png that just came back and it saids that the WikiaBot uploaded that was used for staff blog. It saids that its Auto-generated image to be used on Wikia, is this kinda that they put it on this wiki on purpose or is this might be an another wiki glitch that the Wikia Company trying to fix? 16:50, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, it's fanart, and thus doesn't belong on the Wiki. No fanart, especially for some important mumbo jumbo like that.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:55, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Its kinda odd that an Anon uploaded an image and I heard that only registered users can upload images on the wiki, should I ask the Staffs in Community Central or VSTF about this thing that it keep popping out of nowhere if the image comes back again on this wiki, I will keep an eye out incase if this comes back. 17:11, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * At the very least, can you ask them to upload real official art and not fanart? I am sure you can find something they can work with.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:13, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Class Gallery for Characters
I think it would be a better reference if people were able to see the characters who have that class, but fine, if that's not the way things are done. And the dupblicate images was a mistake, so excuse me. There's really no reason to be rude.
 * I wasn't intending to be rude, and if I came off that way, I apologize. I was just trying to get the message across, so excuse me for my bluntness. I'll admit, waking up and having to clean up several class page galleries and delete tons of duplicate images isn't exactly going to put me in a good mood.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:58, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

And having the work I did for the last 7 hours isn't going to put me in one either. I've never edited a wikia before, so I apologize for my ignorance, but I did read the rules before I posted them. I posted them on the classes alphabetically up to Dancer, so I'll help by starting there and deleting the images.

Nevermind, looks like you already did them. I took out the dancers, though. The only other things I did were (a) add Notable Bards to the Bard page and (b) add Shadow Dragon and Shin Monshou no Nazo the list of games featuring various characters. Were those okay?
 * Yeah, those were fine. It was mostly the images that were a problem. I am sorry if I came off as rude before. I hope you will continue to help the wiki.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:34, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Also, you can sign your post with --~ . It's usually recommended, so we know who is talking.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:36, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Please feel free to drop any other suggestions on my talk page thingy. 76.4.154.169 00:49, August 30, 2012 (UTC)GwenhwyfarRaven

Quotes for Pages
Hi there, sorry to disturb but I want to add quotes to a character that has quotes missingbut he seems to be cussing pretty bad.Should I put those words in or find synoyms for them? Thanks!Countess Reglay (talk) 21:54, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * The rule is don't cuss in the articles, but if it comes up in the actual in game dialouge, it's unavoidable I guess. so don't alter it. Who is the character in question?--Otherarrow (talk) 22:01, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Binks and the only quote he;'s known to have fame for is when Seth cusses at him.Countess Reglay (talk) 22:12, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, Dastard isn't a cursing word, but the B word is a cursing word. 22:27, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

umm.. a question
Hey Otherarrow I`ve discovered something new and I want to know if it`s ok to add it. it`s about the Lord class in FE4 well I recently started hacking FE4 and I discoverd through changeing classes that seizeing a castle is not locked to the main character seize is bassically a hidden class skill to the lord. I found that any character can seize as long as they are a lord I tested it myself so my theory came to that seize is not character locked but a hidden class skill so I would like to add that in trivia,I did not do it yet because I have this feeling it will get deleted so I want to explain first the only way you can see this though is if you hack it yourself but my findings are real.Naglfar94 (talk) 22:45, August 30, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * What would this hidden skill be called? "Seize"? I'd just add a trivia note I guess.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:48, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I suppose so a trivia note will do I`m not gonna put it on the main part of the page as I don`t know what it`s called but it`s sure not locked to the main character as I changed Celice to a sage and Aless to a junior lord/lord knight and he can seize but celice can`t so it`s the class that does it.Naglfar94 (talk) 22:56, August 30, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Also I almost forgot classes like queen,Dark mage bishop etc in FE4 I`m gonna get their stat caps soon since no one seems to know how high their stats go since they are enemy only. But I can change one of my playable characters to them. also to note remember the pegasus rider class in FE5? turns out it is hidden in the data of FE4 too so it was planned to appear there too but was stopped changing someone to this class makes the game crash though as it`s incomplete,there is also like five unused classes without names in there I will check thoese out soon.Naglfar94 (talk) 23:11, August 30, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

two things
hey Otherarrow I was wondering the holy blood growth bonus page is that truely complete? because I think the growth rate bonuses listed may not be for the major blood the minor blood like fire instance Sigluds luck growth rate without holy blood is 20% with holy blood added it`s 40% so...that means the baldo blood gave +20 to luck not +10% so..should we mkaybe get the major blood growths too and add them? because i fear those maybe the minor blood growths. My second thing was yeterday I was messing around with my FE4 and found a bunch of unused classes I found Soilder,spear soilder,axe soilder,pegasus rider and an archer! yep archer was planned to be in there but I guess they went for bow fighter instead so my question was how should I go about adding all these unused classes to this wiki? there is no picture for them well...the battle sprite for them are all the same they look like incomplete cavaliers for some reason and the cavalier has no arms but yeah there is alot.Naglfar94 (talk) 18:36, September 1, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * Not sure what you are saying about Holy Blood. As for the unused classes, I want to say they have at least map sprites and don't worry about the battle animations, as they all seem to use the "broken" Cavalier as a placeholder. Mention them on the pages where appropriate I guess.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:42, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

alright sounds great! I`ll start makeing them on either monday or sunday as right now I am not at home and the laptop goes slow alot and freezes so I`m not using this to edit pages on here too risky. as for holy blood it`s kinda hard for me to explain but it seems like thoese with major blood have larger bonuses than whats being shown I don`t know I get back to that next time but I want to get thoes classes out so I`ll focus on those as for the unused archer I`ll just put on the archer page in trivia that it was supposed to appear in FE4.Naglfar94 (talk) 19:35, September 1, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

"Archanea Series" as a redirect
If this unneeded redirect gets created a third time, after you delete it, can you please protect it so people cannot create it again without submitting an actual reason? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:45, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we consider to leave that redirect alone that Archanea is the North American name of Akaneia and its pretty legimate also? 17:16, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirects are free. It's not a stupid redirect. It's fine.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:48, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * But you deleted that redirect before. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:16, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because you put it up for deletion. I tend to just clear out the "delete this" pages on sight.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Uppercase or lowercase suffix?
For suffixes like Skill in Luna (Skill), should the suffix be uppercase or lowercase? I personally think that the lowercase is more appropriate, but I have seen articles with both. What do you think? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:16, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I never really thought about it. Which has more?--Otherarrow (talk) 18:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I really do not know. There is a link where we could check all of the prefixes and suffixes, but I do not know where it is.  Here is my reasoning: we use uppercase suffixes for names, like "Seisen no Keifu" or "The Sacred Stones", and use lowercase for things that are not names, like "skill" or "character".  Do you agree?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:16, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Beats me. I don't recall if I used, for example, skill or Skill. I think we should just be doing what we have been doing. Which is more prominent? Use that.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:08, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Again with this stupid "I am going to ask Otherarrow if I should do something, then completely ignore what he says and/or not wait for a response, and do what I was going to do anyway" crap (Note that in this case, it was "and" not "or". Not only did you not do what I asked, you basically went ahead and did it before I could respond again.) And as it turns out, you were wrong. (Skill) is just barely used more than (skill), and you would know this if you went and checked like I told you too. So basically, you moved a page and did a (halfassed) job of fixing links for a page that didn't actually need to be moved. Now I have to fix what little links you did change, on top of fixing the links for moving (skill) to (Skill) on other pages. All because you were too lazy to do the one thing I asked before I would give you the go ahead to move the page.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:17, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Berserk staff
There is a link on User:AshenWings that links to a lowercase redirect that I have marked for deletion. Since this is a userpage, I should probably ask you about changing this redirect first, since you tend to revert edits to other user's pages, even if someone was cursing on that page. Do I have the go-ahead to change this link? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 21:20, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot find the offending link anywhere.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:51, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? Because "What links here" said there was.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:08, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

A Question Regarding the Galdar Page
Hi there Otherarrow, may I suggest that we incorporate the various types of Galdrar into the page itself? It isn't exactly feasible for them to be branched out into separate pages of their own, considering the fact that the amount of information each variant holds doesn't warrant doing so. If this proves to be too much trouble, do ignore this message. Thanks in advance! --Engweimin (talk) 03:44, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with it I guess? If someone with more Tellius knowledge thinks it might be a problem, best speak up now because I am giving Engweimin the go ahead.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:28, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not see a problem with it. Each type of galdrar indeed has a low amount of information regarding it.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:08, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

about the unused classes I put up
Hi Otherarrow I`ve been meaning to talk about this from the start but I noticed my page`s got taken down because they were already up. So I`ll just add there image to the pages that are already up for them when I get the chance and maybe put their trivia up? that I had on the other page`s I guess. sorry I did not know they already existed that was my fault then so no problem so I`m assuming the rest of them are up too right? if they are that saves me some time of makeing a page.Naglfar94 (talk) 04:49, September 11, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

British redirect
I noticed that we have a British redirect. It is not a difficult transition to go from c --> s, but I want to know what you think. Should we keep it, or does it get the axe? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:54, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep it. It isn't doing any harm.--Otherarrow (talk) 11:55, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

You Missed a Marked redirect
I see you deleted that Radiant Dawn redirect, but you missed one. It is called Rekka no Ken Characters‎. You appeared to have been online after I marked it, but you never deleted it. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:15, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do things as I see them on the recent changes. If I don't get to it, I will eventually. Stop with this "you didn't delete the redirect within two minutes of me putting it up for deletion, so I am going to pester you about it on your talk page" thing. The whole point of putting things up for deletion is so that you don't have to directly pester me. I'll get to it. Sometimes I am not around when you put them for deletion (like in this case), but I'll get to it when I get back. Geez man.--Otherarrow (talk) 13:09, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * You said to notify you if you missed something. It was not two minutes, more like a day.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:11, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Should I leave a note?
Semaj has always had a natural tendency to create/preserve redirects, which rather contradicts what I am trying to do with cleaning up the wiki. Although he has been inactive (has not edited since July), do you think it would be appropriate to leave a message on his talk page? I just want to confirm first, so this does not seem like a random complaint. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:11, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since he is inactive, I wouldn't worry about it.--Otherarrow (talk) 11:49, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

a slight mistake
umm..Otherarrow the worm page I..kinda messed up while adding a image that was ment for gallery so I wanted to let you know ahead of time I tried reverting the file by clickeing revert but results were not good it made it worse so I can`t do much else..the picture I added I guess I need to change the name as it overwrited the worm icon one so yeah well I have to go now..sorry.Naglfar94 (talk) 11:38, September 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * The catch just takes some time to "correct" itself after a thing like this. I think it's fixed by now.--Otherarrow (talk) 12:18, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

FE4 Sprites
Um, alright, I guess I could do that... I'll have to open a completely different image editing software, but whatever... I don't really know what you're talking about regarding categories. What categories am I adding to what? Sorry about the axe knight. Stupid mistake on my part. --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 15:57, September 15, 2012 (UTC)GwenhwyfarRaven
 * If you don't know what categories to add, look at what similar images are categorized as. The Icons, for example, are categorized under --Otherarrow (talk) 16:02, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I see your point, but where do I put the Categories: thing? I tried putting Categories:Battle Sprites under "Link Your Photo," but nothing changed and it doesn't show up under "More Info" on the picture. --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 13:19, September 16, 2012 (UTC)GwenhwyfarRaven
 * Not Categories. Category. You put it on the image page.--Otherarrow (talk) 13:21, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I feel like a total moron. What's an image page? When I add the image to the gallery, the only areas for input I see are "Describe this Photo" and "Link This Photo." GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 15:56, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Click on the image. It will take you to it's page. Don't worry about it for now, I already categorized the Noish sprite.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:02, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I found it, I think. I'm using Firefox, and when I click on the gallery images, it just brings up a sort of flash viewing program, and that doesn't show categories. In order to see the image's page, I have to right click the image and open it in another tab. From there, I see the categories. So you want me to add Battle screenshots to all the battle sprites I add? --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 17:39, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm? I use Firefox and clicking on the image just takes me to the page. Maybe it's the skin you are using? (Seriously, switch to Monobook) Anyway, yes.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:41, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Weird, I'm not using a skin. Oh, well, as long as I'm doing it right.  What's monobook?  --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 17:52, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikia has two skins, Oasis and Monobook. You can change your skin by going to "My Preferences". Since you don't know anything about skins, you must be using the default, Oasis, which is generally agreed to be awful, or at least not as good as monobook.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:22, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa... This is going to take some getting used to, but I found it.  Thanks for the tip. --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 19:31, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Spam Filter Request
May I please send a request to wikia so captionalign="left" would go through our spam filter (yes, we have one)? Such would force editors to remove this unnecessary piece of text from articles with galleries in them, allowing less clean-up to be made. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 21:58, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Go ahead?--Otherarrow (talk) 22:01, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to confirm with you before I went to make a request like that, in case you were wondering. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 22:02, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Would this have any ill effects?--Otherarrow (talk) 22:04, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * The editors would think so at first, but it, in reality, would force the editors to remove this unecessary piece of text from galleries, giving the wiki less to clean up. They may not realize what happened at first, though.  And clarifying that is not that big of a deal. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 22:10, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, let me ask you again. What exactly would this do? I don't think we should be doing things that get in the way of other people editing.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:17, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, what would happen, is this: when a person edits a page with '''


 * If I still am not clear, I can copy the text of a past e-mail from wikia onto this talk page. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:47, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I see. But would this actively stop people from editing if they don't know to remove the "captionalign=left" thing? That seems a bit extreme for what is at most a minor annoyance.--Otherarrow (talk) 11:52, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * We can always tell them just to erase the captionalign thing if they ask about it going through the filter. It is called the BackSpace button.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 15:37, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't the thing added automatically with the "add image to gallery" feature of the Oasis skin? It's possible that it's something out of their control. And, again, restricting other users from editing, even if there is a way around it, over what is at most a minor inconsequential inconvenience is a bit extreme. I guess what I am saying is, I am leaning towards "no", as the problems it would cause seem to outweigh the benefits.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:10, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Wikia, this occurs when the gallery's caption is aligned to something other than left, and then reverted back. They apparently have not fixed this, so I like to find some resolution towards this so we do not need to revert every time this unnecessary piece of text is added.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 17:28, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think "punishing" other users, even unintentionally, is the best way to go about it. If that makes any sense.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:30, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then how should we approach removing it from the wiki, if locking it through our spam filter is "punishment"? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 17:38, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just remove it where you see it, and keep badgering Wikia to fix it I guess. It's not like it's hard. Like you said, just back space. The problem with the spam filter is that it will stop people from editing if they do it, and from what I can tell, they aren't doing it on purpose. You see the problem with that?--Otherarrow (talk) 17:43, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kapeesh (yes). --Thenewguy34( Other ) 17:46, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Twelve Crusaders Image
At Aivass Remurias's request, I added the names of the Twelve Crusaders to their group photo, and we wanted to present our opinions about it to you. The conversation is on his talk page: User talk:Aivass Remurias. Thanks! --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 00:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nyna Archetype
Hi, I'm bugging you again! :) I asked on King Marth 64's talk page about some parallels I'd drawn between Nyna-like characters, and I think I've at least narrowed the Nyna Archetype down a little.  I'm linking you again! :)  User talk:King Marth 64  --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 01:19, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Adding Jugdral Pages
I've noticed that there aren't pages for certain locations in Jugdral -- specifically, the Lopto Empire, Darna, Tahra, Sophara, and Rivough. There are probably others I just haven't stumbled upon yet. I didn't know if I needed your permission to add them, so I figured I'd rather be safe than sorry. Thanks! --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 14:20, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't need my permission to do anything. Just make sure the pages have actual content (pages that are just "X is a place in Y" won't be tolerated)--Otherarrow (talk) 14:24, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll probably wait until I'm finished with the Jugdral series to add them so that I know everything to put on them, but most of them are significant somehow.  I don't know if there's anything significant about Sophara except that Holyn is the Lord of Sophara's son.  Does that count as enough content?  --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 15:14, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Castle Sophara shows up in Chapter 6 of Seisen no Keifu. I am not sure if it is relevant enough, but eh.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! --GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 15:26, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Adding an editor note to a few pages?
I have an idea to end this captionalign stuff; though this method is not guaranteed to work, I want to test the effects of it. May I please try adding some editor notes onto a few pages with galleries and see how many people add captionalign after this experiment (which we could try, for, about a month, maybe?) You can see an example of my editor note on Chambray (if you do not see the note in the source, check the revision history). Remember, I just want to experiment with this for a month. I think that trying to spread the awareness to our editors would help (though I talked to Naglfar94 about why not to add 'captionalign="left"' a couple of weeks ago, and then he went right back to adding it.  How interesting). --Thenewguy34( Other ) 20:44, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd rather not worry about it. It's not a big deal.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:16, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll help out and remove what you're talking about when I notice it, but how is this going to help, other than what Otherarrow already suggested? First of all, these users aren't exactly doing this intentionally. It happens because they are using the Oasis skin to edit (I've even tested it). If you are only going to do this editor's note to a couple pages, how will that help? If they don't add any more images to an "experimental page", they won't even see your editor's note. Actually, your editor's note idea is totally defeating the purpose of using less bytes on the page, which is why the captionalign issue is an issue in the first place. Confused.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:38, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Certain redirects
I have noticed that some redirects have "The" in them, despite the original translation not having "the" (ie. Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War --> Fire Emblem: The Genealogy of the Holy War). Are these types of redirects pseudo-legitimate, or unnecessary? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:10, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems legit to me.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:09, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thenewguy34 (again)
I just wanted to briefly mention to you that this user is starting to doing things on the Chapter pages by removing Background and Chapter Information Headers, Undoing our edits which he thinks he's claiming its part of some Wiki Skin (but it looks fine the way it is), and he's is also somehow looked like hes might be somehow bugging me and Aivass Remurias. Can you might somehow block this user for 1 week or give him reasons as a Second Warning. I don't want to get this user get really mad. I think hes kinda might be doing he's doing an edit war on the From Pain, Awakening page and some other things also. I don't want to kinda get near of him which it kinda bugs me and I'm kinda helping out Aivass Remurias also. 00:00, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * So you went to Otherarrow to straighten this out, and could not go to me? Wow, just be straightforward to me.  Bluntless is always accepted in my court (pun on words, but true).  Also, my edits are not malignant; if you are frustrated with me, just talk to me.  Do not request to Otherarrow that I be blocked.  There are times when I do not like people's behavior either.  I am not intending to bug either you nor Aivass.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:08, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * King Marth 64, The issues you are mentioning were quickly resolved. As far as I'm concerned, there's no edit war. Currently, I have no current issue with this user. All of our talks today have been productive and the user is accomodating so far. While it is a bit hard for me to resist listing quite a number of past issues, currently I have no problem and I wasn't aware that there was one. Our three talk pages are proof enough.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:13, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Is there a problem here?--Otherarrow (talk) 00:24, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Based on everything I (and everyone else) said today, no. In short, I think King Marth 64 was frustrated at some changes Thenewguy34 was making, and may have misinterpreted some things that were said when Thenewguy34 and myself were actually having a civil and (I thought) friendly talk about them. Everything that happened is on our talk pages, so if there's any doubt, it's all there.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:40, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just Some Double Redirects
We have some double redirects in the Special pages menu list, and can be deleted whenever, no rush of course. However, one of them is legitimate: Valor (Galdr) is fine to keep, if only for use on the Valor disambiguation page, since someone searching for "Valor" might mean either one of those. I just wanted to mention that.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:08, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

User:Greensaber51
I probably should not be a tattletale, but have you noticed that the only edits he has made are to his user page, and none to the wiki itself? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:11, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Is he vandalizing or causing trouble? No? Than it's not a problem.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:14, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Main Page
For some reason (in the monobook skin), the right column of the main page is pushed all the way to the bottom. It did not occur before today. Is it just my computer, or are you experiencing problems as well? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 21:55, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen it too. I think it's a Wikia side thing. This has happened before and it fixed itself after a day or so.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Charstat-growth/end needed? and br templates keeps disappearing
I need to ask first that do we need to keep the and  templates need on the character pages? And I keep checking on the  templates keep disappearing on the Stats page when I was fixing the page when it started yesterday and I see more users editted the character pages and it kinda looked alot like the br templates keep disappearing also, I am not sure if it was another wiki errors that we keep getting or the Columns template removal might caused it? 23:04, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why the br things are disappearing or why people are removing the ends of the char templates. Are the users editing the pages removing them, or are they just disappearing?--Otherarrow (talk) 23:13, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

To clarify,  isn't a template, it's just code for "break", as in "line break". They are being reverted to either because users don't know any better or Oasis is forcing it. As for the /end templates, check your talkpage. There's no need to have a template when all that needs to be copy/pasted or added is |} to the end of the template directly. Obviously, I won't mark any for deletion until they are listed as unused, which won't be for quite some time.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I understand. Sorry for the ignorance. I have no idea if you other fellows discussed this or something. Also, sorry that I haven't been as active.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:17, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Should the whole community have to discuss this first about modifying the stats template before doing on the wiki? 23:24, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, though? I've been pretty clear on why it's happening at every stage. What would the dissenting opinion even be? "Oh, I know the changes don't affect the displayed page in any way, it's just a coding omission that uses less bytes, but I just don't like the way it looks...". And I'd say there are only a few active users (7 max) who would even know what we would even be talking about...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:33, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I just checked on the Ryuto and Zelgius's stat section on edit mode without publishing and with the Column reminder in there and it still shows the  code and I just checked on the Marisa's, Rhys's, and Ethlin's stat section on edit mode without publishing and without those Column reminder and the   code disappears. I could think it might possibly be the Column reminder removal might have affected them to be removed. 23:48, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Having the column reminders and /end templates removed doesn't affect any of the things you are mentioning. What you are seeing is this: a user simply removed the column reminders and /end templates AND then removed or changed the  codes simultaneously (which was not good), and they were just never reverted back.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:59, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the Oasis skin (which many infrequent editors and King Marth 64 use as their skin) has been known to automatically change  to  --Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:01, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I will wait what Otherarrow has to say and I kinda like the older version more better. 00:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, compare the last edit I did with Petrine with the edit before that, done by James Pierce, I think. See how those changes don't affect the displayed template at all?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:33, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the br thing seems to be an Oasis problem. Solution? Don't use Oasis. As for Charstat, yeah, there isn't any difference with the "new" way of doing it.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:35, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * So what do we do? Just tell users like Naglfar94 to stop using Oasis?  (Nah, we cannot force people against their will).  But I do agree that not using Oasis is a good idea.  These changes to the Character templates look awfully strange to me, but I hope they pay off.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 20:12, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * To clarify, the Oasis thing was just me explaining why King Marth 64 was seeing what he was seeing. Infrequent users using Oasis and editing the templates have not all been bad, and the few that are are easily recognized and can be fixed. More to the point, though, the "new" way of doing the templates has nothing to do with why the br code gets changed/removed. I've already shown that.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:39, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * They can all still use Oasis if they so choose, and without the templates messing up, as seen by a couple of Naglfar94's edits today.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:41, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Improperly Named Files
There are couple of files in Improperly Named Files that have been sitting ducks for a while; can you please rename them? Thanks. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:31, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * And lo and behold, the first file in there wasn't actually misnamed. Does it describe what the image shows? Then it isn't misnamed. Duh. Just because it doesn't specify TCG doesn't matter. Does it say who/what is the card about? Then it isn't misnamed. Also, I'll get to it when I get to it. You don't have to pester me about it. It's not a big deal.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:14, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, that was rude, I apologize, but you really have to stop mislabeling properly named files as misnamed just because it doesn't fit your perfect standards for file naming. Thank you for bringing this stragglers to my attention, on second look a few of them were in there for a while and I didn't notice when I first wrote my message, but the thing with the Earth Dragon card really bugged me.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:17, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Lyon & Ike Vandals
The Lyon and Ike pages were vandalized today. Lyon was able to get fixed, but on Ike, the IPs did multiple edits with different addresses, which as you know, is not able to be fixed with rollback. I'm only notifing you on here because of the relative importance of the page (Ike is one of the most visited), the complexity of the vandalism, and because I wasn't initially able to fix it (plus, the vandalism had been around for more than 2 hours at that point). Here are the vandal IPs.


 * 198.184.147.1‎
 * 198.184.147.8‎

No hurry, just leaving this here. As of this message, the Ike page is still not right. Thanks.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:33, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I was able to fix the Ike page by just copying the last "good" version and pasting it onto the most current vandalized version. I'm sharing this method because it seems to be a good way to combat this type of vandalism (multiple edits by multiple IPs).--Aivass Remurias (talk) 14:43, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see I see. I blocked them. Thanks for fixing the Ike page, I'll keep that in mind.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:35, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ranger and Forrest Knight
This seems like a dumb question to ask, because I am sure something like this has already come up. It appears King Marth is questioning logic and thinking about creating redirects that seem a bit taboo towards our current system, such as Ranger (mounted). I would rather create a redirect like Ranger (Path of Radiance) and Ranger (The Sacred Stones) that would appeal more to our current system. But here is the thing: do we really need any redirects like this? I do not want to take my own action and find out that what I did was a stupid idea. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it is recommended that a wiki try to avoid using parentheses in titles if they can. Ranger is known as Forrest Knight in the Japanese version, and another, completely separate Ranger exists. Having them both be at the same title when we have a working alternative is, well, counterproductive.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:12, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

What about Ranger (Path of Radiance) and Ranger (Mounted) or Ranger (Forrest Knight) be better since both of those are first English name outside of Japan? 23:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you read my post? I am pretty sure is recommended that we avoid parentheses if we can. Not to mention it makes linking and such easier. If the PoR Ranger wasn't called Ranger, then Forrest Knight would probably be at Ranger, but since it is, I find it is easier to go with the Japanese name for the mounted Ranger than have both at Ranger and have to deal with parentheses and disambigs and redirects and such.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:24, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

I did read your post and I think it be easier than Ranger (Ike) and (Lord) - that I am not sure if this, since I did saw the updated version of FE4 patch is changing Ranger's class name as Ranger instead of Forrest Knight, I am not exactly sure if any newer english Fire Emblem players would get this too confusing. 23:31, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I already explained my reasoning, but I will say this: This seems like having things more complicated just to have them more complicated. While the rule is English name, having exceptions for the sake of simplicity and ease of use in cases where two unrelated classes have the same English name but different Japanese names is fair, yes?--Otherarrow (talk) 23:56, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I think thats kinda little misleading, but I'll try to think something else later. 00:04, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how it is misleading. One is a mounted class also called Forrest Knight and both pages note it is called Ranger. The other is just Ranger and is no relation at all to the first class.
 * As for the Dark Knight thing...that was from left field. Sure? I am not sure how we'd do that. (I've considered lumping the unused class with either of the existing classes or have all three be separate. I dunno) Either way, that has nothing at all to do with the Ranger thing. --Otherarrow (talk) 00:08, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I was going to rewrite it, got a little edit conflict when I got back from helping my father for a minute. I said I will try to think later, but I will stop for right now. 00:19, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Dark Knight separating
I agreeing about separating about Dark Knight class from Unused FE3 class, TearRing Saga, and Kakusei, sorry, I had to move this in a different section due to getting edit conflicting. 00:19, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. I see. So how should we go about it? As said, I've considered grouping the unused class with either of the two "real" ones. Of course, having three separate would probably be best.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:23, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about the TearRing Saga and the Unused class from FE3 that it saids in Serense its a custom class for Camus in FE3. EDIT: Sorry that I accidently moving the Disambig, I think I accidently still in the middle of that page before it got moved, but I got Camus's unused class info moved and created in a seperate page. 01:17, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

These two redirects
Do we really need the recently-created redirects Shadow Dragons and Blade of Light and The Binding Blade? I might understand the latter, but the former I really do not think we need. I am asking you this because King Marth forced me to ask you first before marking them for deletion. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:22, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * They are legit redirects, so there is no problem with keeping them.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:20, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

a question about the class info boxes
I have a question regarding some of the class pages most of the info boxes use the generic class picture for the class. I wanted to know if it was ok to put an acual in battle picture in instead when the picture is avalible. and move the generic class portrait to the gallery is that something that can be done? or are the generic ones put in there for a reason?Naglfar94 (talk) 01:13, October 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94
 * As the class portrait doesn't fluctuate between faction, that will do instead of the battle picture.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:53, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oh alright I thought maybe one a battle screen shot would do. Sounds good though I always thought maybe they were put there to hold intil another screen shot came because I`ll be getting more class screen shots soon.Naglfar94 (talk) 02:36, October 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Time to Play contest
Are we going to participate in the Time To Play contest? Countess Reglay (talk) 23:11, November 1, 2012 (UTC)Countess Reglay
 * Nope.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:17, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Where was I over the past week?
You may be wondering where I was. I blame Sandy Cheeks for it; I lost power for a week. Still, I am not going to be editing for a few days, as I have crap to deal with, such as sending out e-mails to people and other crap. I am just reporting in (by the way, there is supposed to be an ice storm on the east coast Wednesday - I may lose power again! I may also have another month of school from this mess). --Thenewguy34( Other ) 22:18, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. Well, good to hear that you are alright, power outage or no. Feel free to check back in whenever you can.--Otherarrow (talk) 22:47, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Lugh
I noticed that you protected Lugh. However, there is an edit I want to make to it. And I know for sure that if I try to push it off until tomorrow, I will forget. Can you please fix this for me? Thanks: --Thenewguy34( Other ) 13:30, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * The supports section (Change it to the standard bullet-point format)
 * Done. Sorry about this btw.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:09, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

FE13 Weapon Icons
It appears that Serenes Forest is starting to upload more weapon icons. I have been looking forward to this, as we can finally get those weapon icons in character and weapon articles. (Another thing: do not click this link to Youtube.)  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:58, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not even a rickroll! You can do better than that Thenewguy. Anywho, weapon icons are neato.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:27, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Link removed. Stay on topic. Or at least have it be Never Gonna Give You Up.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:29, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I found it on yahoo, who said that she was going to be the next "Rebecca Black". It sounds more like crap to me, but I wanted to see exactly how "viral" it was going to be.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:53, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, another thing. Can you please clear Category:Pages proposed for deletion?  Thanks.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:58, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:22, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

On Holy Blood inheritance
I've heard from people who've hacked into FE4, say that its fairly difficult to add Holy Book to a boss character. Basically there's two types of bosses, the old school style, easily made bosses who are missing certain stats such as Luck. And the harder to make player unit equivalent bosses. Its much easier to add holy blood to a player equivalent boss.

Chagall would seem to seem be one of the simpler made boss types, while Eltshan by comparison is the player equivalent boss types. Thus they probably didnt' wanna spend the time to give Chagall, ingame Holy Blood. With Scorpio, they probably just forgot as they made a similar error with Hilda. And I think we both agree that Rahna was probably origianlly intentioned to carry major Holsety blood. Emperor Hardin (talk) 23:05, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * On one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't intend for Chagall to be a descendent of Hezul and therefore didn't go through the effort to give him blood, but then realized they had to explain why he was the king instead of Eltshan and came up with the "youngest daughter of Hezul got the blood, married into the Nodions" thing. However, on the other hand, that given backstory does explain why Eltshan is so stupidly loyal to Chagall: his ancestors swore absolute loyalty to the royal family after they got the blood from the daughter. So I want to say not giving Chagall any blood was intentional, and not just laziness. We just didn't know the whole story at the time, but it does match with what is in the game.
 * I do think that Rahna was meant to have Major Holsety, and I am not sure what point there was in changing it.
 * Scopio was probably just an error. I am not sure that he is otherwise a "old school" boss.
 * I am not sure that they wouldn't go through the effort. You have to remember, in the later parts of the game, they starting giving Holy Blood to otherwise minor bosses for no given reason. Hell, they even went out of their way to give Holy Blood to the Dark Warlords, who are literally faceless and (at the time) had no backstory.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:33, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think they had always planned Chagall to be Hezul's descendant, notably Eltshan says he can't let Chagall die because he's last of the Bloodline. It would've added so much more, if they added text explaining that however. Its been said numerous times that IS had already put as much text and data as the games hardware could handle, so alot of dialogue and such weren't implemented. I'm guessing the dialogue explaining Hezul's situation was planned but not implemented.


 * Most likely it was to make those bosses much tougher by giving them Holy Blood. Musar, as a Mage Knight, wouldn't have been able to use his tornado spell without Holsety blood. Sechs (uses Thoron, Sieben (wields Bolganone, and Acht(fights with Tornado, the Dark Warlords with Holy blood are all in classes that normally don't give high enough weapon ranks for them to use their weapons.


 * Scorpio is a player equivalent boss so that is why its weird that he has no Ulir blood. I'm guessing it was the same error that got Hilda major Dain. I don't think Holy Blood would ever dissaptitate entirely, but I think there could be something below Minor Blood. As in holder couldn't draw power from it, but had a chance of giving their descendants minor blood. Emperor Hardin (talk) 00:24, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, there is no reason for the Falcon Trio in the final chapter to have Minor Holsety, since they don't get access to wind magic. I do think there is a story reason for this random Holy Blood, we just don't know it (for example, I recall reading about Kaga mentioning that the Dark Warlords have stories behind them when asked why they have Holy Blood).
 * Nice catch on the Chagall thing. That slipped my mind.
 * On the topic of Holy Blood "disappearing", Awakening shows that the holy symbols that shows the influence of Holy Blood sometimes "skip a generation". For example, Liz doesn't have a holy marking, but her son Wood does. So, on the topic of Scopio, while he might not have any holy markings, it's possible that if he had an heir, that heir would have the markings showing Minor Ulir influence. But that is a much longer after the fact explanation, and Scopio not having Holy Blood in the first place is probably an error.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:44, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Falcon Knight trio holy blodo still makes little sense, but maybe Kaga did have somthing planned for them. With the retcon of Daccar and Maios now carrying Holsety, I'm thinking now they might've had some kids.
 * Thats an interesting revelation in Awakening, I'm going to guess Hezul skipped a generation for Chagall. Emperor Hardin (talk) 04:18, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I am pretty sure that Chagall has no blood, and the royal family hasn't had blood since Hezul. Remember, we already have the explanation for why the Nodions have the Holy Blood and the royal family don't, the Major Blood went to the youngest daughter who married into the Nodions, but the throne went to the eldest son, who had no holy blood. From all appearances, the Holy Blood stayed with the Nodions. The Awakening thing can be used to explain Scopio, but Chagall is a stretch.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:49, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * It never said directly that Agustria's royalty had no Holy Blood at all but that they didn't inherit Major Holy Blood meaning they couldn't use the Mystletainn but probably had Minor Blood.
 * On another subject, I can't find the line on the designer notes on the Orgahill Pirates taking bribes from other less honorable pirates but it does mention that the Agustrian military took bribes from those pirates. Emperor Hardin (talk) 05:13, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I thinking I am having OCD over this
The Character Growth template has a bit of noticably over-stretched perimeter. I could just change the cellpadding to size 3, but that seems a little big for growth rates. Should I really be worrying over this, unless if it becomes extremely noticeable (like a few extra inches of unneeded perimeter)? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:31, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:46, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * That little perimeter on the right of those templates? You do not notice that?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:07, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm only jumping over here because I was mentioned, but there's quite a bit of other stuff that's a bit more pressing that we can work on. I can kind of see what you are talking about. It doesn't really seem that much of an issue, though. I wouldn't worry about that one too much.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:05, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Question
I have a question with weapon articles like Silver Sword: there are two ways to do this. 1) Merge the FE11 and FE12 sections and put up a little notice saying, "Shadow Dragon only because weight is non-existent in Shin Monshō no Nazo." 2) I create separate sections for the two games. Which method should we use for the entirety of the weapon pages? I do not want to use two different Manual-of-Styles. If you are unsure, I will go to Aivass for this. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:07, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Most other pages just merge the Shadow Dragon and New Mystery sections.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:24, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

On the Orgahill Pirates
I was thinking we could split the Orgahill page to refer to both the location and the pirate gang? What do you think of that suggestion?

Also I can't find the citation for the Orgahill pirates accepting bribes from the other less honorable pirates, though I did find a mention that the Agustrian military would do that. Emperor Hardin (talk) 03:36, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Split Orgahill into two pages, or have the page cover both? Is Orgahill even relevant as a location if you take out the pirates?--Otherarrow (talk) 03:49, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thnking split into two pages but you might be right that its too minor to be two pages. I'll just add more about the pirates and put it in organizations category as well.


 * On another subject, do you have any opinion on dismounting and capturing? Emperor Hardin (talk) 04:02, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Capturing seems like a interesting concept, but I can see how it can just be frustrating. Dismounting, while realistic I guess, seems to me to just be there to hamper mounted units. So I don't look at dismounting as fondly. I admit, I don't have much to say on that.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:40, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

FE2 NES Sprites list
I did checked your Sandbox about NES/Famicom sprites about Gaiden and I think you might forgot to remove some of the class images need that already existed in the wiki.


 * FE2 Cavalier
 * FE2 Priestess/FE2 Princess
 * FE2 Bow Knight

08:08, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I see I see. Thanks.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:41, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Pictures
I have noticed that latley people have been adding new pictures of characters onto their pages. (Mainly Radiant Dawn and Awakening Characters) I was wondering where you guys find the photos because every time I search for them I fail to find them. I would be happy to help add better pictures for character pages if I could find them.

Tiero (talk) 03:20, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally? I dunno. I know the updated confession pics are from Serenes Forest, and I think most of the Awakening stuff is from there, but I think the RD stuff the users are just getting themselves directly from the game.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:34, November 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, how do they get them directly from the game? I have Path of Radiance, Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon so I could get pics from those games.? Tiero (talk) 03:42, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Sorry I can't help.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:18, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Some people use ROMs, which, though in dubious legality, allows you to play the game on your computer. Thus, you can take pictures with a camera tool.  Other than that, I could not see how you could possibly get such a high quality picture.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 12:11, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Had an idea...
I have been thinking of things I could do to help this wiki and thought of this.

Zeldapedia has a page called the "Temple of Courage" where they put two characters against each other in a 'battle' where which ever gets the most votes at the end of the week wins. I though that that would be something that this wiki could do since there are so many characters in the Fire Emblem series and would also be fun. I could create and organize it myself, what do you think? Tiero (talk) 17:38, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * That, in turn, was a rip off of the Dragon's Neck Colosseum used at the Final Fantasy Wiki. We've been over this before, but we don't need an arena, and the last attempt to make one didn't go anywhere.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:46, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

This is a bit confusing.
It appears that someone created a disambiguation page called Avatar, referring to My Unit from FE12 as "Avatar". Usually, we would label pages with their officially translated names; can you please tell me how this really should be handled? I do not think we need both My Unit and Avatar as disambigs. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 12:10, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Avatar is a localization of My Unit. However, Avatar (with My Unit redirecting to it) should NOT be a disambig, but rather a general page for the gameplay mechanic as a whole, instead of the individual characters.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:15, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

And what about the disambig of the Japanese version name of Avatar as "My Unit", shouldn't that disambig of My Unit be merged and mark it as a redirect to Avatar also? 19:01, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirects are a thing. Why is that even a question? Just redirect.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:06, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Map Sprites - keep the shadow?
With map sprites like File:FE7Knight.png, should I keep the shadows they cast, or should I remove them? I removed the shadow on the Knight file, but I am a bit adamant about not keeping the shadow. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Think of it this way, is the shadow there normally? As in, is the shadow there when they move around, as they idle, etc etc. If so, yes, keep them. Removing them would then be removing a bit of the sprite.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:10, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * They really are part of the sprite. Making the background transparent is fine, but we should preserve the actual image.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 19:52, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright then. So the shadow stays.--Otherarrow (talk) 19:55, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Lurking Talk Page Redirects
Hi there. I was clicking around in maintenance and found some old talk page redirects that should be axed. Here's a short list of the ones I just happened to notice. In all cases, either the main page associated with it has been deleted, or the talk page content and edit history has found a new home after a page move.


 * Talk:Jerkof - was never deleted after the main page was deleted
 * Talk:National Treasures - was never deleted after main page was deleted
 * Talk:Galdr - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move
 * Talk:Fa - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move
 * Talk:Pay - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move
 * Talk:Caeser - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move
 * Talk:Zealot - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move
 * Talk:Varm - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move

For the first two, there's no need to preserve the talkpage (what little there is), as the deletion log edit summary is used for stating the deletion reason. For the rest, even if the page names are not current translations, one can type it in the Search box and be redirected to the actual page name (because we have alt. translation redirects), where the discussion page (moved or otherwise) can be found.

I didn't link to them because that's generally not a good idea if one wants the pages deleted, and because unless someone is referencing another user talk thread, it's a bad habit in general. As usual, no particular rush, and sorry if I'm coming across as overly specific. Thanks!--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:51, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, no. You are fine. Done btw. Thanks.--Otherarrow (talk) 05:37, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I will let you know if I chance upon any more.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:49, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for the intruption, but why are the talk page redirects needed to be deleted for what exact purpose of? 07:30, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Even though this is a very common practice, I put some of the reasoning in this very thread anyway. If you are curious, I did write why. No need to add all that strikethrough code to my message here, though. What I had has exactly the same effect. I knew what I was doing.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:46, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Here's another: --Aivass Remurias (talk) 05:00, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk:King Ramon - (redirect) was never deleted after talkpage move
 * Done!--Otherarrow (talk) 05:02, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I marked three more talk page redirects for deletion, and so, we have to mark all talk page redirects for deletion and they needed to be deleted, correct? But, I didn't strike those on purpose. But, I wasn't too sure why need they need to be deleted for? 06:42, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * When you want something to be deleted, tell me what it is. Don't just say "I labeled stuff for deletion, go find it yourself lol". That is just less efficient for everyone.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:38, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

For The Record
Regarding "Stats" vs. "Statistics", this is what I said to Thenewguy34, not this  and this. I apologize in advance, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but some things I've been reading in the edit summaries might make one to believe that it's totally up to me. Obviously, it's not so, and that's not how I view it or even what I said. Actually, for headers, I'm indifferent about which one is used. Eh, maybe I'm overreacting, maybe not. I just don't like how it can be interpreted as a mandate when I clearly didn't say anything remotely resembling one. Whatever. Ain't even mad. For the record. Shrugs.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:24, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I knew this was more or less Thenewguy being, well, Thenewguy. You didn't do anything wrong. As for the topic itself, since we might as well discuss it while we are here: we've been using "base stats" and the like for a while now, and to change from no where, well, it's a lot of pages to change. Is there anything wrong with using "stats"? I don't think there is.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:30, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Given the cost/benefit, and put that way, no, not really. I agree with you on that, and that doesn't sound wrong at all, asking me to explain. You have every right to! Ask Thenewguy34 that question also, I'd say. He proposed it be put back into use, so if he wants to say more about it, by all means. All else equal, "Base Stats" is fine with me, too. It is rather pedantic...and in retrospect, "Stats" vs. "Statistics" really doesn't add all that much of a formal touch for me, at least. Article content and good writing? Probably more so. This is turning into something I didn't intend, though. I initially just wanted to jump over here and show you what I actually said, instead of what I was seeing on the edit summaries.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:47, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to give the impression that things can't be discussed, though, even if it is difficult to interact with some users at times. That's why we have talk pages.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:50, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

But, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with using "Stats".--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:54, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know you would be undoing them all right away. Ok. I could definitely see him wanting to lay into me for this...well, I guess I'll just have to see what happens and talk it over then. Ah...the ups and downs of editing a wiki...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:02, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I couldn't undo them all. I kinda just got bored after a while. I didn't know he's been doing this for a couple of days now! Wow! Change any you see, at least until we talk this out. And yeah, this is a extremely minor thing to be fusing over, but consistency is a thing we should strive for. Changing things up from nowhere before we can get things straight won't help us.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:07, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * This sounds like a stupid question, but what exactly are you looking for me to answer? (Also, you reverted more than just Statistics and Stats stuff.) --Thenewguy34( Other ) 12:17, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why you did this? Why you thought it would be a good idea to up and change everything for no reason? And yeah, I kinda did, I'm sorry, but after a while I was just reverting your edits on sight because you changed so much stuff without any prior discussion with the logic of "I said so". No! Such a major change isn't just one user's decision! I had to end up reverting just to fix the damage you did in a efficient way!--Otherarrow (talk) 18:55, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Do You Mind?
Do you mind if we change templates like Template:Cleanup and Template:Biased so that an optional reasoning can be given, like shown here and "Template:Cleanup/Test" (check coding source)? I know that this is a bit risky on running like this on wiki content, but I really do not have any other method of showing you what I mean while staying on this wiki. Anyways, do you like the idea of actually coding an "if" function into these type of templates? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:00, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am all for it. Do it. They probably needed it to begin with.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:01, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Template:Needimage has been locked from registered users, can you make the edit onto that template please? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unlocked. Go at it.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:15, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Similarly, I think Template:Character had a request on its talk page.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:29, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I got it. You can re-protect it now. Just remembered, Template:Delete makes the talk page of the page it is used on show up in the wanted pages if the page to be deleted never had a talk page. There was some type of coding that fixed that, like #if exist (as in, only link to a talk page if one exists).--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:26, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. As for Template:Delete, it looks like #ifexist is being used on it, but I'm guessing something minor in the code is causing it to not work. I guess the short term fix would be to just unlink the link to the talkpage for now? What do you think?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:57, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I fixed it, did some clean up on it as well.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:13, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess the previous coding will be there in the edit history if we (or anyone) ever finds out how to make the #ifexist work properly.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:32, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

File:Search logo.png
For some reason, I cannot mark this for deletion. There is no file, but it will not let me mark it. Can you please delete this?--Thenewguy34( Other ) 14:25, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hate to interject here, but we've crossed this bridge before several times earlier this year. Don't mark stuff for deletion that you don't understand. Just because it isn't being used, or you don't know what it does, doesn't mean delete it. Actually, that is something important. Sorry, it's just that I thought this was understood.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:35, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Otherarrow, I'd ask that you restore the search logo. This was like when Thenewguy34 marked the Favicon for deletion earlier this year without knowing what it actually did. The search logo helps identify the site on search engines.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:49, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Shit, my bad. Sorry about that.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:03, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Since this is related, I'm going to link these important (yet intentionally unused) images here. This will probably help in keeping them around, so that they won't be marked for deletion again as easily.
 * File:Search logo.png
 * File:Favicon.ico
 * File:Button redirect.png
 * File:Wiki-wordmark.png
 * File:Wiki-background
 * I'm pretty sure that's all of them.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:31, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

IP on Talk Pages
If you are so inclined, look at what 67.142.166.25 (contributions) has done so far on the talk pages. This has gone beyond me. Maybe the wikia should try and make an effort to enforce this just a little bit better, but I'm not so sure what IP is going after is totally purge-worthy, either. Especially where it started, on the Fire Emblem (series) talk page. I undid it twice. After that, yeah...oh well...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:16, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Aivass Remurias
I'm little sorry about this, but I don't know why was Aivass Remurias thinking and what was he doing, he start about it the Ashera Staff (which he kinda seemed little more pushy), and some of the other stuff like removing the Column Reminders in the stats (that Thenewguy wasn't sure why he was removing the Columns and that I told you about that you said that "you didn't knew about that" at the beginning - which I have no clue where he discussed this with Fabsu93 in the first place (I have not seen it in this wiki)?), he is kinda removing headers from Chapter pages right now (nut that kinda made me little bit confused that that which he did reverted from Thenewguy did to restore them back and then, right now, he's remove them now? - I wasn't too sure if possibly that he ,ight have didn't ask you about the Chapter Headers for the Chapter Pages for to be stayed or removed?), and also, but shouldn't he kinda like asking you this some of the stuff before he will do it? and sorry, but this is made me little bit confused and this is kinda more of a complaint also, but can you might talk to him to see about this, I'm probably not to good enough to explain to all about to him and I wasn't too sure if he'll get upset or get into trouble with him? 07:07, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked him about that because I was unsure about the column reminders. Essentially, he just wants to simplify the source codes of the pages to have as minimal bytes as possible.  Thus, removing the column reminders was necessary.  Do we really need the column reminders to begin with?  (Also, Otherarrow, there is something I want to discuss with you privately on something like a chatroom - in Community Central's Chatroom maybe?) --Thenewguy34( Other ) 14:50, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what the problem is here. Aivass hasn't done anything wrong. The removing of column reminders was something we agreed on. As for chapter headers, what are you talking about you loon? I've checked his contributions up till before the beginning of the month and he hasn't touched them. More importantly, he doesn't need my permission to do something he thinks is right. What is wrong with you, trying to sneak behind his back and "tattle" on him when he hasn't done anything wrong? If you have a problem with him, go talk to him yourself. Also, Thenewguy, what do you need that's so important that it can't be talked about here?--Otherarrow (talk) 16:46, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * That "important" thing is something that I feel uncomfortable talking around on public area. I would prefer to talk about it in privacy.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 17:18, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * So why do you need to talk to me about it? I don't know you enough to talk about your private life.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I want to request something regarding the wiki, but I feel uncomfortable talking about it here in public. I will be in Community Central Chat.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 17:52, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Category:Pages proposed for deletion is flooding again
Can you empty it please and delete the stuff in it? Thanks. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 12:25, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, don't go on a flagging spree while I am not around and say "derp, you aren't doing your job lol". It's kinda annoying. I can't delete stuff in my sleep you know. It'd be more polite to say "I've nominated a bunch of stuff for deletion, go clear it out". --Otherarrow (talk) 17:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologize if that sounded a bit rude, since you never gave a problem with this before. But maybe I should have put that into better words.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 21:38, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I am fine with you informing me that you filled it up and need me to empty it out, but your tone seemed to imply, to me, that you suspected me to just automatically know. But then again I am insane. So sorry.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:54, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Should we create a Super Smash Bros. Brawl Template?
Articles like Guy and Lyn have raw coding for their Brawl template on the pages. Do you mind if I try to create a template on this, like we did with the weapon articles? If you want to know what it will look like, click here.--Thenewguy34( Other ) 13:00, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think we need it, then go ahead.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:04, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a nice idea, I like it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 16:52, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Headers
Merry Christmas! Anyways, I would like to compromise on the headers a bit. No, I am not trying to come back to "Statistics", but I want to discuss on the differences between "Character/Weapon Data" and "In Game". If you have noticed of late, I have been trying to add some more sense of formality into the content pages so we do not have "Sedgar is a broken character lol" due to how awkward that would sound, coming straight from an encyclopedia. Can at least discuss on how we should label headers? I usually mark game titles in headers with italics, like we would in a paragraph. But I am open to all ideas here; anything that can get us on the same page. Do you care to compromise? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 20:58, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am fine with italicizing titles. The reason, say, "Character/Weapon Data" doesn't sit well with me is because, well, the whole page is character/weapon data, while the "In Game" sections details such in gameplay as opposed to in story.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:30, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * In Game...yes, that sounds right. I agree with the italicizing titles, too. Some of the older pages don't italicize titles at all in the main text sections (mainly for game titles). If the title appears in an infobox template or as a header on a page, there's no need to italicize it, though. From the very beginning, that's how it was done. Just my opinion.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 08:28, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Asking For Opinion
Hi there. I wanted to bring [http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Avatar_(Awakening)#Robin? this] thread to your attention before I started acting on it. I'm really interested to know your opinion. I'm willing to help out with anything that needs to be done regarding it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:13, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Somewhat related, but once all the DLC and SpotPass characters from FE13 get localized names, there will be an impending page move nightmare, I'm dubbing it Moveageddon. We might want to begin to think about how that will be handled (obviously wait until offical confirmation of names). Again, I'm willing to help with that when the time comes. I'll try and put together a year end maintenance report by tomorrow. Scratch that, just a few simple requests.

The file moves listed above are the only moves I can confirm right now. Thanks.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:12, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Kakusei Images‏‎ can be deleted
 * Category:Help desk can be deleted
 * File:FE8Thunder.gif can be moved to File:GBAThunder.gif
 * File:FE8Wind.gif can be moved to File:GBAWind.gif
 * File:FE7nomadtrooper.png can be moved to File:GBA Nomad Trooper (M).png
 * I agree with Aivass; I see the avatar as a type of game mechanic, while Robin is more of an in-game character. Do you have anything that might contest this?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Precedence. The Tactician is not at "Mark" and the New Mystery Avatar is not at "Chris". And there is also the whole "you can change the name" thing.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:05, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * This would affect Mark and Chris as well, not just Robin. The Tactician could be made into a gameplay mechanic page if needed. There are other reasons, but if you look at the thread in the first comment, precedence went a bit out the window when the disambig problem was solved. I really think this is a good direction to be moving in. There is a distinction between stuff about the game, and the game itself (i.e. "In Game"). If you want to put it on the back burner for a bit and get a better opportunity to look at more of the reasoning, I'm totally cool with that.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:11, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see how precedence went "out the window". The Tactician is still at "Tactician" and the New Mystery Avatar is still at "Avatar". I still don't think it's a good idea to have the player created and customized units at the default name. The player has every right to rename Rufure to whatever the hell he wants, and as a representation of the player, the player's avatar if you will, I can only see trying to "force" the default name as causing problems. I wouldn't be surprised if most people just rename them whatever and forget the default names entirely.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:20, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, in part, they are still where they are because I didn't want to do the "tell Otherarrow and then do it anyway before he responds" thing. Essentially, when you created the game mechanic page, it solved a lot of things regarding how these units are handled. The player does have every right to name them what they want, that could be easily explained on the game mechanics page for Tactician, Avatar, and possibly Mark, Chris, and Robin if need be. I don't think it forces anything on anyone. For whatever reason, the designers of the game have the default names in the code. While not to invalidate the choice that a player may make, that's more important than whatever the player chooses to name them (similar, I think, to the "fan name" vs. "official name" argument). The official name should win out, every time. As for the problems you are mentioning, would you care to elaborate a bit on that?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:30, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I do think you have a point. And if you want to move them, go ahead. But I expect you to fix all the links and so on. Please don't do the thing where a user moves the page and updates that page with the new name...then does nothing else, leaving me to fix it for them. I am pretty sure you are more responsible than that, but just a warning.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:34, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, but I understand if you want to take more time to look at some of the things that have been said about this, though. I think I've done a decent job of collecting everything here on this talk page thread, including the link to the thread on the FE13 Avatar talk page. As for page move etiquette, I completely agree. I'm usually very thorough about fixing links, but I realize that can be a drawback if what I propose later turns out to be incorrect, hence the message I started here. I appreciate the warning, everyone should hear that. When I did the My Unit FE12-->Avatar FE12 moves, I noticed that even though I fixed the instances on the templates and on all character pages, it can take more than one day for the cache to completely clear, for some unknown reason. I would like you to monitor any changes I make, as always.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:45, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I won't start right away. This is an important thing, so let's let it sink in for a day or so.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:47, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fair. I am not at 100% at the moment anyway.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:52, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Neither am I. This time of year has a way of doing that...=/--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:54, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

A quick question about weapon icons
What is your thoughts on this? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 14:32, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't care either way. Do as you please.--Otherarrow (talk) 14:40, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Launch Pack
Hey there, Otherarrow. My name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! I'm stopping by to ask your permission to pull in a 'Launch Pack' on the main page once Fire Emblem: Awakening comes out. It'll link to various helpful parts of the wiki related to the game, relevant blog posts, etc. It'll stay on the mainpage for exactly one month after release, and then it'll be removed.

Also, I noticed you're the only active admin on this rather large wiki. I can help you coordinate the search for new admins/mods if interested.

Thanks!

Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 01:01, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, no. If I felt we needed more admins, I would make more admins. I trust the people here more than anyone you could just find (no offense). As for a "Launch Pad", what would that entail exactly? I doubt the wiki will be of too much help, since, well, we'd be scurrying to update the coverage on the game once it is out. I don't think folks would be interested in incomplete coverage.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:53, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * You see, I'd be contributing most of the work for the Launch Pack. The content would include a Starter Guide (a blog post detailing the basic details of the game, some beginners tips), a Review Roundup once reviews are released, a Character Tree which would be an image map of various members of The Shepherds. usually the guide will also link to frequently visited categories for the game (Mission list, character list, class list, item list). The stuff you guys can do on the wiki can be pulled in, but for the most part I would be the one doing most of the content for it.


 * As for the admins, it wouldn't be anyone we'd find as much as picking a few dedicated users from the wiki that you'd feel comfortable with having rights. It's all your call, really. I just wanted to make sure you didn't feel overwhelmed with sole admins duties :P
 * Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 02:00, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thanks for the concern I guess. But for the time being, we are fine. Delete things, block a guy every now and then, it's not too bad.
 * As for the Launch Pack thingy, well, forgive me if this comes off as super super rude, but...How can we trust you to make this and have it be...well, to be blunt, not dumb? Are you a fan of the series as is? Do you plan to get your hands on Awakening and play the hell out of it to gather information? Forgive me for questioning your expertise, but when a fellow just shows up out of the blue offering to do this, yeah, I am caught off guard. Though it is very nice that you are offering to do this, don't get me wrong. I am probably coming off as a super asshole here.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:13, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT:Let me clarify, I would be OK with this, if this is something that you are going to put effort into, as opposed to just some marketing fluff that would just look fancy and link to the work of other folks elsewhere on the wiki. If that makes sense. Oh god that was still super insulting, wasn't it? I don't intend it that way.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:39, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * No offense taken, I can understand the desire for a quality wiki. To answer your questions, I'm a fan of strategy RPGs (Shining Force, FFTactics), but unfortunately have only played FE:RD (never had a gameboy for very long). I unfortunately won't be getting a copy (as much as I would really like to play it, Awakening looks top notch).
 * I've actually already got the Starter's Guide completed. It's viewable on my sandbox here (a few visual tweaks are still in order, but you get the gist). Most of this stuff is actually going to be linked on Wikia's global hub and navigation, as a way to lead traffic to the wiki. Most of your users will probably know every bit of information I'll post. These things are mainly as a way to entice non-fans and outside users to check the game or the wiki out.
 * The content that I would create for the Launch Pack will rest as blogs. They are sold campaigns and need to be there. Whether you want links to them to rest on the homepage is your decision. You could add any links you wanted into said launch pack as well. (if you're curious to see how it would look, here's the Launch Pack we recently did for Far Cry 3 )  And believe me, I'd love to actually play the game and formally contribute to the wiki. This place is very well kept.
 * Let me know what you decide or any other thoughts you have! And hey, thanks for being honest.
 * Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 19:24, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I admit, I am not an expert on this sort of thing, but the Launch Page looks good enough. Needs a few link corrections, but that's minor stuff that you probably didn't know about at the time. Is there anything we need to do, or will you be fine with just the go ahead? Sorry if I can't be of much help.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:05, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, did you seriously just...
I asked for you to move the files, not delete them. And according to the move log, the last item moved was moved four days ago. Why then, did you delete those two files? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:40, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I was thinking of another wiki where the policy for misnamed files is deletion, not move. You can just upload them at the proper filenames. No biggy.--Otherarrow (talk) 23:26, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Except I cannot access those files, because you are the only one that can. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:59, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...Versions of the files at better filenames were already uploaded by the time I responded. If someone else could do it, so can you.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:53, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia
Hi there,

Wanted to give you a heads up that we'll be running a really cool trivia quiz on your Wiki to support the release of Fire Emblem Awakening. It will be similar in look and placement as this one we did on the Hobbit- http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Hobbit_Personality_Quiz

We're planning on putting this up tomorrow. I'm happy to name the page using any convention you'd like, so feel free to let me know. Thanks very much, Peter 01:16, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgive me if this sounds rude, but yeah, if you wanted to do this, why did you wait until the day before it went up to ask me about it? That seems really poor planning to me. Last minute and all. At least, TheBlueRogue was apparently working on his Launch Pack thingy a few days before he presented it to me, and that in turn was a while before it was needed to be up. What sort of trivia quiz are we talking here anyway? Again, sorry for any rudeness, but this is really catching me off guard.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:39, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia Quiz
Hi Otherarrow, my apologies for not giving you a head up sooner. My bad. Here's the finished quiz for you to check out-- http://console.flite.com/ad/fireemblemquiz

It's part of an advertiser sales campaign. Very much hope you like it and thanks for your understanding, it's much appreciated. Also, we are promoting the Fire Emblem Awakening Launch Pack on the gaming hub-- http://www.wikia.com/Video_Games. If there are any additional links you'd like me to include there, please let me know.

Peter 20:51, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps this isn't my place, but one of the questions is wrong.

The first Fire Emblem to have a traversable map was Gaiden. Not the Sacred Stones.

L95 (talk) 21:13, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Great to know, thanks so much, we're having it changed immediately! :)

Peter 22:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC) Random impressions: All and all, it was OK. Had some nice trivia, but nothing too hard, and nothing super obscure. As for pictures, I see a random Tauroneo among what is otherwise completely Awakening themed. I think you should have gone with all Awakening instead of mostly Awakening with a random Tellius guy thrown in, IMO. As for the Launch Patch, still looking nice! I am a bit amused at how the class list, new features, and screenshots just link to our page though. Not that it's a bad thing mind you! We happened to have those things beforehand, and it links directly to the Wiki, so free extra publicity. I ain't complaining. Hope this helps.--Otherarrow (talk) 00:39, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * The "which is a lord promotion class" is clever, as all the classes listed are technically lord classes, but, as the question stats, one of them doesn't actually promote from Lord. I rather liked that one.
 * I see a "Fauder" there. Update that to Validar please.
 * Likewise, I see a "Strategist" which was updated to "Tactician" in the localization.

Similar Icons
Icons like File:Falaflame.gif and File:FE5falaflame.png appear to be identical. Is there any reason that we have not merged their applications together?--Thenewguy34( Other ) 14:09, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * One is from FE4, and the other from FE5. Duh.--Otherarrow (talk) 15:14, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * But they look exactly identical. Look at the GBA icons.--Thenewguy34( Other ) 15:16, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course they look similar. It's the same tome they are modeled after. Jeez. It's not a big deal. (I am pretty sure the FE5 icons aren't just the FE4 icons anyway, unlike the GBA ones)--Otherarrow (talk) 15:24, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that a good amount of FE4 icons aren't reused, like weapon type icons and most, if not all, weapon icons. There are slight differences sometimes, but Wikia can usually detect them. I would consider Otherarrow and Engweimin to be very knowledgeable about this. I hear what you're saying, though. Given the all the FE13 stuff that needs to be done (for which I'm hoping to get right back to soon), I think it'd be safe to say we can wait on it. Not really my call, just adding my two cents.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 16:59, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ide
Hi. You recently deleted a huge block of information on a page I created titled, considering it "irrelevant crap". Please justify your decision to delete my hard work and your authority to do so. Pontifex Morva (talk) 22:57, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * While I in no way speak for him, it's fairly clear that all of the info he reverted was irrelevant, and quite outside the manual of style used here, although that last bit is not altogther unexpected for new users, so no worries there. He clearly has the authority to do so, though. But I'll let Otherarrow speak for himself regarding the specifics. I don't see anything wrong with what he did.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:21, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Irrelevant? How? Every piece of information was correct and directly related to the topic. Pontifex Morva (talk) 23:37, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * For starters, the only image the page really needs is the one of the village. Much of the stuff on the page is rather fancrufty. Also, it is a village of Renais, not Frelia. I like that you made the page though. I will try and improve it. Maybe showing you on the page itself would be more productive than talking about what's wrong with it at this point. So far I can reasonably assume good faith.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:01, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, Ide is located on the border of Frelia and Renais. Garcia, resident of Ide, specifies in conversation that he is a citizen of Frelia, not Renais. I believe the pictures are helpful and quite simply make the page look better, especially on the mobile version of the site. Pontifex Morva (talk) 00:07, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is part of Renais. I'd love to see the link proving otherwise.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, Garcia is a Renais army veteran. So yeah.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:06, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Random pictures of things the article is not about is not needed. Also, a lot of the info I removed was, in my opinion, completely unneeded.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:18, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Possible Sockpuppetry
Do you mind to delete this spam comment and block that user called Common qq (with an infinity block for possible Sockpuppetry account in this wiki) that I not quite sure that this is might be a Sockpuppetry account from Common1389 (that I reported that user and Randomoftime blocked him earlier and both of them have Common in their usernames also), and I did messaged this report to the VSTF earlier, but I didn't think they saw this and also might delete some of the others also. 23:33, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * You nominated two comments for deletion, which were replies to a comment that got deleted, meaning they are now in "limbo" and I can't delete them. Good going. >_> EDIT:I was able to delete them, though I had to use some unusual means. Still, what were you thinking?--Otherarrow (talk) 01:23, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

IP and Archive
Two quick things. This IP, 78.96.206.46, once he figured out how, snuck a link to an outside site on the FE13 page. I guess he's trying to get some free clicks given the amount of traffic that page is expected to get, and I really don't feel like monitoring that. Also, your talkpage has gotten huge, as in hard to post on huge. It looks like you archive by year, in which case, the first thread of the un-archived version of the page would be the one titled "A quick question about weapon icons". Happy new year, by the way! =)--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:43, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't archive by year. I archive whenever I feel like it. But I guess you are right. I will get around to it.--Otherarrow (talk) 01:15, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

FE13 Concept Art Images & Image Categorizing
The user Laoni is doing an excellent job of getting us some higher quality scans of the FE13 concept art and the like. Perhaps if you were to drop the user a friendly line about how to upload a newer version of an existing file (and even finding out whether we have the image or not already), it might some good forward thinking? The tough part is, I kind of like it when new/newer users don't categorize their files, because usually they don't know all the categories an image needs. Struck me as an odd thought. As for myself, I had a problem with this early on and it took quite awhile to learn most of them. I'm not sure if I'm always complete to this day. Once an file is partially categorized, like...just "Awakening Images" and that's all, it can be extremely hard to find and correct it afterwards. One of the benefits of having a cache of uncategorized files. I dunno...I did complete the categorizations for the more desirable duplicates, though.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:57, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's not a big deal. From what I can tell, most of the "inferior" files weren't being used anyway, so there was no way Laoni could have known about them. And there could be file type differences and all sorts of trouble. As for any future things like this, I am not good at explaining stuff. There is no reason why you couldn't tell them. They seemed pretty understanding. But I'll do it I guess.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:07, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Yeah, I agree. Not a big thing. I think the "inferior" files were replaced on their respective pages when they were uploaded. I didn't know until about 2 years ago that a new version could be uploaded, therefore saving a huge hassle and the page history, so I completely understand that part of it. I guess I just wanted to bring it up respectfully somehow. Sorry for any trouble. And thanks. =)--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:15, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think a few of them were replaced, but I am pretty sure a handful of them just weren't put on the pages period. Sadly, it's a thing when folks upload images and then just don't do anything with them. And really, sorry for getting all complainy there.--Otherarrow (talk) 04:18, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Not at all. I will try and be more aware of categorizing new uploads completely, real life schedule permitting. Most of my time set aside for this is working on a project I took on from the Task Board. Still in R&D. Mostly coding trial and error, and consistent formatting.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 04:30, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Snag
Okay, since you keep removing the photo... What can possibly be done to make the article no longer a stub? There are no actual pictures of snags, and I there is no further information to add. Pontifex Morva (talk) 17:41, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think just a picture will do. And what do you mean there are no pictures of snags? You can just zoom in on the snag itself! Get a screenshot with mainly the snag on it, etc. But yeah, a whole chapter map doesn't really illustrate it well.--Otherarrow (talk) 17:43, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you can give this job to one of your henchmen, because this is seriously a lot harder than you realize. Pontifex Morva (talk) 17:50, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps? I wouldn't know, as I never really tried to do screenshots of capture images or such. Sorry. Also, I have henchmen? Wow. Why didn't anyone tell me this?--Otherarrow (talk) 17:57, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, just scroll through this page and look at all the people who have tried to gain your love by pointing out every minor error they see on the wiki. I'm sure they would be willing to do it. Pontifex Morva (talk) 18:05, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought they did that because I was the only one with admin powers. Nothing about love. Some folks are nice guys, and I respect them, but yeah. Seriously, stop being rude.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:36, January 22, 2013 (UTC)