User talk:Thenewguy34

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"Hi reader"
Don't add nonsense to pages. This is strike one. Two more, and I will have to block you.--Otherarrow 00:16, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox
What am I supposed to do with my sandbox (and don't say "fill it with sand")? --Thenewguy34 22:56, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, a sandbox is used as a page where a person experiments with editing, making templates or the like before they are ready to implement it. Like a personal test room. I don't recall where the term comes from, I think Wikipedia. I am not sure why you made a sandbox if you don't know what it is for. Sorry if I am not that good at explaining this.--Otherarrow 22:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Thenewguy34 23:00, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
I don't really care if people find out where I live, but nonetheless I probably should've anyway so thanks.

Images Discrepancy
Hi there. Regarding the TRS files you asked about earlier on, their names have always been in Japanese, ever since I uploaded them last year (All I did with my most recent edits was to upload new versions of said files). Since the administrator of the site didn't seem to mind the names, I assumed that they were perfectly alright, just the way they are. Furthermore, I am not an administrator of this wiki, and hence, I am unable to rename or delete existing files here. Thanks for the heads up, in any case. --Engweimin 12:20, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to make sure. (Wait, where's the spacebar on the Japanese keyboard again?)--Thenewguy34 13:32, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ashnard
Oh yeah, the two entries are for Ashanrd's initial and final forms. You have to fight him twice in Hard/Maniac mode, his Maniac mode stats the same as in Hard mode. I've added a note to the page to clear the confusion, thanks. Aveyn Knight 20:50, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Moving Pages
Just a heads up, but when moving pages, be sure to change the links to the pages you moved.--Otherarrow 13:20, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ignore
Disregard the message, there was a nony messing your userpage and your talkpage, and I moved it back to normal. 20:12, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

That IP has been bugging me ever since I caught him vandalizing the Pikmin wikia (pikmin.wikia.com) and had him blocked. He was starting a "battle of reverting edits", something which I'm not really fond of. He contacted me on Communtity Central and said, "Someone is mad". --Thenewguy34 22:31, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Are you Mr Alex? (Talk)MassiveSodaDuck 13:20, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

No; you must be thinking of a different user. Thenewguy34 17:13, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Deleting pages
If you need me to delete a page, just put the delete template on there. Moving it to "delete this page" just makes two pages I need to delete. Thank you for your hard work though. Because I wasn't paying attention, I posted this to the wrong talk page by mistake. Sorry.--Otherarrow 14:19, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Assassins
I had the Assassins redirect page deleted because that is the same name of the 2nd downloadable episode for FE12. Assassin is referring to the class. I put this information on the talk page before it was deleted. --Aivass Remurias 10:48, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Then create a disambig (use ). I would like to create it myself, but I'm working on constructing a fan site wikia for Golden Sun so I can keep fan content off Golden Sun Universe. --Thenewguy34 10:51, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest, why are you making redirects for every class, but plural? And I think that a chapter should have naming priority over a redirect.--Otherarrow 15:51, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I snapped at you, but if you are making a page, at least try to put a little effort into it. If you don't know what the subject is, then just put what you do know and request help of someone who does. Just making a page with a short sentience like "Assassins is some manga thing" (which is both far too informal for the wiki and incorrect) just so you can have your "Not to be confused with Assassin" thing seems, to me at least, kinda lopsided in priority and kinda sloppy looking. Also, I feel that it is more likely that someone will stumble on Assassins looking for Assassin than vice versa. Sorry for any trouble. Keep up the good work.--Otherarrow 20:08, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean, its both founded and written in German
if your refering to the fact its written in 'Deutsch', that is the German word for German...

-- Semaj draehs - any replies to my Talk page  16:29, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

um hey Thenewguy34 was the dragon spear page the wrong thing? i don`t understand my mistake.i thought it would come in handy since it`s unused like the sea sword oh no wait..i think the page was too similer to the regular dragon spear wasn`t it? but any how it`s ok i have to focus on that song list i started76.250.231.108 00:52, April 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

oh wait im sorry Thenewguy34 i see what happened haha look`s like i had a dumb moment the stat`s got moved to the other dragonspear page i get it now.i should have did that the first time thank you and sorry76.250.231.108 01:04, April 28, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Correct: the mistake was that the Dragonspear first appeared as unused data in Fire Emblem: Fuin no Tsurugi. Also, I don't mean to demean or offend you, but can you work on you grammar bit please? It's a bit difficult for me to read your messages. --Thenewguy34 10:05, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Complaints
I have received some complaints, and admittingly have a few of my own. Over how you make some pages with seemingly no effort put into them, such as the Kakusei skill pages which don't even have the effect listed, despite a quick look over at Serenes Forest could have easily found that, and the whole thing with the Assassins page where you halfassed making that chapter page so you could have your soft redirect thing to the Assassin class page. There is also the thing were you removed the reference to Athena not being supported by anyone, which Aivass Remurias wanted to keep for completion sake, as not noting it at all might make people think we just didn't have the information. I know that you are a good user and can do good work, so what's going on here?--Otherarrow 02:25, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

If there's pages that I create but don't add much to (like with Dragon Buster, Assassins, or Golem), it means I'm only creating them so others can expand them. I really don't have much knowledge over unlocalized games, so it seem more logical to create them first instead of finding the information. Really, if anybody had a problem with something I was doing, they could just tell me: I find feedback more constructive than not saying anything at all or complaining to someone else.

The other issue is that I'm trying to run four projects at once (on this wikia, here, here, and here), and it is rather stressful to try to complete them if two of these projects are overwhelming because you have little support to give me breathing room. I have tried to encourage regular contributors on Community Central to come help several times, but I have only gotten one, who also complained, but left me as well.

In conclusion, what I really need is to sort things out with people, not complain. It's rather mindblowing to be left to do a lot of dirty work with little help. --Thenewguy34 10:44, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Aivass was afraid to directly talk to you, as he thought he was going to make you mad. I told him to talk to you anyway. If focusing on so many projects at once was leading me to not put effort into them, I'd prioritize the ones that I can do and put effort into doing them right, getting the rest done when I am finished with that. Allow me to be blunt: If you don't know enough about a topic to make more than just a placeholder page, don't make the page. There is no shame in just not working on something you don't know about. I mean, I know next to nothing about the Tellius games, so I don't edit or make pages about them. Making a page with no info on it whatsoever with the expectation that other people will fill it in for you makes you look lazy, which I know isn't the case. You are not lazy, just overworked, stretching yourself too thin, if that makes sense. I am sorry if people here or on other wikis aren't being as cooperative as they should be, but you have to make the effort, you know? I admit, I am not good at these kinds of things. Sorry for any trouble.--Otherarrow 12:42, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Dismount
hey did you combine the page i made yesterday with the dismount page? just wondering what happened it does not seem like anything major was changed up their except for a bit more info added that i forgot to put.71.234.234.240 08:17, May 9, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Yes, I did. There was already a page that existed, so I redirected the page to that. --Thenewguy34(Other) 10:23, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh so that means my page is gone basically?but...i had plans for that page i had images and everything what now?i was treating it as a class not a Game mechanic.i mean that page is good but i put it toghether to explain it more as a class oh well i forgot what i put so i can`t bring it back i will just put the images on the alraedy existing page when i get the chance.Naglfar94 04:41, May 15, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

images
hi I got your message I will figure it out as I go along.I was worried that would happen I have a few more images to upload I will try to change the file names as today I`ve just figured out how to add Galleries to page`s so I`m really excited today! now the pages that need images or don`t have any can have some!Naglfar94 22:12, May 23, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

I tried the liscence thing for the photo`s but I could not find the popup thing that you told me about maybe somthing is missing.oh I took the photo`s myself and they can be used elsewhere I`m going to check again though and put that fairuse thing on it.Naglfar94 06:46, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

never mind I got it now. I think now the photo`s have that liscence thing on them.Naglfar94 08:12, May 24, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Response(s)
Whoops, sorry, I didn't notice your messages because Wikia kept telling me I had new messages when I didn't, so I ended up ignoring the notification.

You probably noticed by now, but Grego is now fixed. That's what I get for reading his name in a hurry.

Gangrel is after Flavia because Sidequests 18 and over are only available after Chapter 25. I've added a note about that now in the sidequests page.

That's weird, I'll add the FE1 classes when I have time. Although, for reference, they're also stated in the recuitment page.

Thanks! Aveyn Knight 15:27, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Moving Pages
When moving a page, don't just move it and leave it be. Pages link to it, and after the move, they'd link to the old page. Go to the old name and use the "what links here" thing to find and fix the redirects. Of course, first be sure to check if it's linked on any templates, so those don't get in your way.--Otherarrow 18:43, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * A reminder, but you didn't actually go back and fix the Astra links that needed changing do to your your move. I'm going ahead and doing that now, but I want to give you a heads up for future page moves. It helps out if you are willing to fix the links afterwards (though I admit, this does take time, especially if the page is linked on a template, because first you have to change the template, wait for the catch to clear, then go and change the rest of the links.) Sorry for any trouble.--Otherarrow 23:40, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

When you recently moved Wrys and Philip, you should have at least changed the FE1, FE3, FE4, TRS, and Staff Nav Templates to reflect the page name changes. It doesn't take that long. Could you please do that soon?--Aivass Remurias 23:38, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is getting kinda ridiculous. Aivass's post above was the third time someone has told you that when you move pages, you are expected to fix the links. Yet you refuse to even acknowledge this, not to mention you refuse to actually do it. I'm going to be blunt, and forgive me if this is rude or extreme, but if you don't want to do the work involved with moving a page, don't move the page. Just moving the page but not fixing any of the links just causes more problems then just leaving the page be. If you want to do a project, even if a minor one like moving a page, you have to be willing to actually finish that project. Not just do the easiest part and hope that someone else will pick up after you. I'm sorry if I come off as rude here, but it's really starting to bother me.--Otherarrow 23:54, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, did I forget that? Sorry about that. I am not used to doing it, and therefore frequently forget about it. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:41, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. That's alright, just remember to do it next time. Sorry that I got mad, but I did legitly think that you were ignoring all this. Keep up the good work, and again, sorry.--Otherarrow 13:28, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

image`s and categories
hi Thenewguy34 I understand now about the image`s thank`s! I thought that image categories were to be treated the same as page one`s since they are part of the page.oh and just in case you are wondering I took thoes photo`s myself I have FE3,FE4 and the three GBA FE`s so I will be gathering image`s from them for the class page`s and weapon one`s just wanted to clear that up. thank you for fixing the category on the image`s alot more will be coming soon I need more from FE3.Naglfar94 02:04, May 31, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

User pages
Yeah, don't try and edit other people's userpages. I looked through the IP's history and noticed that he was you logged out. I am not sure if you were trying to vandalize without getting caught (pickle) or just had a lapse in judgement, but don't do it again.--Otherarrow 22:58, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

duplicate files
ah about the file`s Thenewguy34 the two that were deleted I got thoes off of here just renamed them because otherwise I think if I try to add them it will say a file of this name already exist`s. so I did that so it won`t overwrite the other one`s sorry.Naglfar94 20:10, June 7, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Fire Emblem Weapon Stat Differences
Here's a visual that makes all this a bit easier to understand. FE1:     Name      Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses Wlv Worth     Effect(s) FE2:     Name      Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng                    Effect(s) FE3: Icon Name     Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses Wlv Worth     Effect(s) FE4: Icon Name Rank Mt Hit    Wt Rng Uses     Worth     Effect(s) FE5: Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth     Effect(s) FE6: Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth     Effect(s) FE7: Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth WEx Effect(s) FE8: Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth WEx Effect(s) FE9: Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth WEx Effect(s) FE10:Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth WEx Effect(s) FE11:Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt Wt Rng Uses    Worth WEx Effect(s) FE12:Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt   Rng Uses     Worth WEx Effect(s) FE13:Icon Name Rank Mt Hit Crt   Rng Uses     Worth WEx Effect(s)

As you can see, FE7-FE11 are exactly the same, so it totally makes sense to include them in your template. Ideally, there will be: Note that the individual stats aren't in the proper order as they should be in the Templates (I like the way you have yours), I just lined them up so you can see the patterns more clearly.--Aivass Remurias 11:40, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * An FE1&3 Template (exactly the same except for Icon)
 * An FE2 Template
 * An FE4 Template
 * An FE5&6 Template (exactly the same)
 * An FE7-11 Template (exactly the same)
 * An FE12-13 Template (exactly the same)

Mutual Break
Could we both agree to take a bit of a mutual break on this whole template creation/adding project? We are edit conflicting each other and it's creating a lot of unnecessary template redirects that will have to be deleted later. It's best if we get the templates right before we start adding them to too many pages, or it will create even more work when we have to go back to fix them.--Aivass Remurias 12:58, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I noticed that too. How about this: I create the templates in a sandbox, and you name them. We can start that later or on another day. Deal? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 13:04, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's a mighty fine idea. Thanks, that sounds good. I have most of the Template structures already built, so I can provide you with that at the appropriate time.--Aivass Remurias 13:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back after that brief delay. Once you make them, let me just look them over quickly before we start adding them to pages. I love the idea of using Iron Sword for the demos, as I'm pretty sure every game has that weapon. The WeaponStat column ordering has been great so far! Thanks! If you need any help, I'm here. Here are the names for you:
 * FE1&3


 * Template:WeaponStatFE1&3
 * Template:WeaponStatFE1&3/start
 * Template:WeaponStatFE1&3/end
 * FE2


 * Template:WeaponStatFE2
 * Template:WeaponStatFE2/start
 * Template:WeaponStatFE2/end
 * FE4


 * Template:WeaponStatFE4
 * Template:WeaponStatFE4/start
 * Template:WeaponStatFE4/end
 * FE12-13


 * Template:WeaponStatFE12&13
 * Template:WeaponStatFE12&13/start
 * Template:WeaponStatFE12&13/end
 * TearRing Saga

--Aivass Remurias 23:01, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Template:WeaponStatTS
 * Template:WeaponStatTS/start
 * Template:WeaponStatTS/end

If I may, I am going to cross out the ones I have completed. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:24, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, not a problem. Also, the 3 WeaponStat Templates that are completed should be ready to be used on pages now. Actually, they were ready yesterday. I did end up checking them then and they were fine.--Aivass Remurias 00:43, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have to leave for the day...--Aivass Remurias 23:06, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wanted to let you know that I finished the rest of the WeaponStat Templates, including Template:ItemStat. They can all be found in Category:Templates. I think there is an error in the Iron Sword demo of Template:WeaponStatTS, in the "Effect(s)" Column, but other than that, they are all complete and in use on at least one page.--Aivass Remurias 19:33, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

is this a good idea?
Hi Thenewguy34 I know it`s rare for me to come to you but I came up with an idea for some of the pages. umm well..you see I was thinking of on some of them adding videos to them to improve them a bit such as the magic in Seisen no Keifu I found a good video showing all first Gen mages and magic that would fit good on the magic page`s right? I think I should tell Otherarrow too you think he would say yes to this? I mean the Kakusei page is the first to have videos on it. I also thought of putting the music up on the chapter pages for FE4 so viewers can hear the differnt map themes that play on each chapter.Naglfar94 23:20, June 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94


 * Otherarrow generally does not want videos on the wiki. You will have to consult him about this, not me. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:21, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

alright hopefully he will say yes.Naglfar94 23:43, June 26, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

TheBritishEltshan
Hello sir, I just finished doing as you requested. I categorised all the skill icons into the category:skill icons, I don't believe I missed any. And for future reference, is there any way of categorising a bunch of images at once or am I thinking ahead in the future? Thank you very much, signed TheBritishEltshan 21:35, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. That is probably a capability we will acquire in the future. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 21:51, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Double Standard?
Ok, I wanted to ask you about something. Awhile ago, I saw that a Forum poster had put their message above the forum header, so I simply moved the message below it (the edit is here . You decided to respond by telling me not to do it (I'm not sure why) on my talk page here.

So, just yesterday I saw that you did the EXACT same thing I did before here, which is fine by the way, but I'm wondering why you went to my talk page and said what you did, even after you claimed to have seen what happened. Since you dislike hypocrites, I'm puzzled as to why you decided to chastise me for making a legitimate edit back there. Could you let me know why you might have done that?

Also, in regards to the discussion about the inclusion of boosted stats, why were you reverting edits on sight that showed the stat additions without asking Otherarrow or someone who might actually know about what was decided? You told Are You Serious, "If I recall correctly, Otherarrow gave good reasoning not to do that (include stat additions). I forget what it was though". If you want to go around enforcing policy, you should know what the policy is, at least. If I'm sounding condescending there, I don't mean to be, but that should be pretty obvious.

You mentioned before that you would rather hear things like this directly from me, so that's what I'm doing, even though I really dislike discussing things like this.

On the plus side, I did want to mention that using a template for the Featured Article on the main page and wanting to include a link to the Task Board on the sidebar are great ideas, I thought. We should totally do both.--Aivass Remurias 00:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looked strange to have a message above the header, and that is why I fixed it. Sorry if I seem a little mixed up, I have a tendency to remain silent when I find myself corrected. As for the header, if you want to bring that to Otherarrow and see what he thinks, that is your decision. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 00:34, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

It was fine that you fixed it, as well as when I did. What I was confused about was why you told me that it was wrong to do so. There's no need for me to bring it up to Otherarrow, as there's no debate about it. If a forum poster does that again, feel free to fix it. If I see it, I will also.--Aivass Remurias 00:43, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Wolf
I noticed you want to move the Wolf page. Notice that the policy is to have the page named after the first game they appeared in (localized or not) to avoid confusion when the page is a disambiguation. It's not like all the Wolf links are messed up either, I fixed them awhile ago.--Aivass Remurias 18:53, July 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Then why did we move Marth to Marth (Shadow Dragon) before we learned the Kakusei secret? --Thenewguy34( Other ) 18:58, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but that is a moot point, since that page is no longer (or should be no longer) in use. Most likely, someone who didn't know the policy and is only familiar with the localized games did that.--Aivass Remurias 19:00, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Otherarrow did that move. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 19:01, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

He made it a redirect, not the page name, although I'm not sure why he didn't just delete it. He also made Marth (Akaneia Series), and you marked that for deletion, so I'm not sure if that's a good example. He's allowed to make mistakes, as we all are (he thought that Paragon did not appear as a skill in Kakusei at one point). It's not a big deal. Regardless, he knows about the current name of the Wolf page, as we discussed it when it was first implemented.--Aivass Remurias 19:08, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, he did moved to Marth (Shadow Dragon) and someone moved Marth (Akaneia Series) and he changed it back a while ago. 19:18, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. My mistake. Thanks for the clarification. I was referring to him not deleting the redirect, though. However, since the confusion over Lucina is over and Marth is the current name of the page, it is still a moot point.--Aivass Remurias 19:25, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I probably should have moved Marth to (Ankoku Ryu...), but I knew we'd know who Masked Marth was soon enough. It was basically a placeholder move. Sorry for the trouble that caused.--Otherarrow 15:10, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Tiamo and Mystery of the Emblem guide
The sentence I wrote was probably a bit vague--Tiamo's unrequited love for Krom and is a direct parallel to Catria's unrequited love for Marth. In an interview, the game developers remarked on this by saying Tiamo has the "Catria's position" in this game, akin to an archetype.

About the character guide, I think I know what you're saying, but to be honest, I'm not sure how you could write a guide with any less personal opinion. I checked the guide in depth before publishing it and it's written from as neutral a view as I'd consider standard. I suppose there are some parts that are slightly biased (like late-coming characters having a low rating), but that bias is prevalent in the fandom and perhaps for good reason. Aveyn Knight (talk) 20:20, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Pyrathi Image
Thanks for letting me know about crediting the source for Pyrathi. Just...where should I put it? SPEN18 (talk) 01:00, July 31, 2012 (UTC) EDIT: Here is the link to the site I found the image, if you would like to put the source yourself: http://game.andaplus.com/site/walkthrough/nds_fireemblem-shadowdragon/chapter9.html Thanks

Marking Redirects For Deletion & Midia
I wanted to say thanks for helping with marking the unnecessary redirects for deletion. However, could you please make sure that you fix any pages that link to them before you do so? This can be done by clicking on "What links here" in the toolbox when you are on the page you want deleted (or any page). I've had to fix quite a few instances of redirect pages that still existed as dead links after deletion. There are still some in the wanted pages as well.

As for your request that I help with the Midia page, I did take a look at it (and will do so again), but I'm not sure what to say. She's a complicated character (much like Camus) who has been in many games and even started an archetype, so I'm not exactly sure what you were expecting from me back there. Be careful with removing content outright, as it's usually better to merge it with existing content. I don't mind helping out, though.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:23, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

This is the second time after I posted this message that you started marking things for deletion without fixing the links to them first.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:08, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, there were links? I did not realize that.  I am probably going to forgot this out of habit, but I will give it a shot.  --Thenewguy34( Other) 23:12, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Stats
Why did you remove the stat box on the Bonewalker and Gorgon pages? You can't expect one of them to have 60 HP when you're fighting them, and the stat box gives a much more accurate description on them. 108.14.246.211 14:56, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was me. You see, the Charstat templates are for characters, not classes. Besides, having "varies" in almost every box doesn't really help anyone. Maximum and base stats are a more accurate way of showing data.--Otherarrow (talk) 16:16, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Let's Talk
Ok, I wanted to respectfully bring some things to your attention.

1. There have been more than 3 instances now where you have the removed the "Background" and "Chapter Information" headings from Chapter pages which have info listed under both headings. I'm not really interested in why that is, just don't do it anymore. They're different things entirely.

2. This has been an issue for awhile, so let's talk about the whole "bias" controversy. While I totally agree that some "Overall" sections are counterproductive by saying things like "Meg sucks", etc., don't just remove slightly negative content outright (Otherarrow has said this before), especially if it's relevant from a gameplay perspective, like what recently occurred on the Dalsin page. The bias issue was brought up on Aveyn Knight's talkpage in this topic (where I responded to your comment), and includes a bit more information that what I'm saying here.

To sum up, I understand that writing the overall section can be difficult. Outright removal of content or writing misleading gameplay advice just for the sake of making the character sound better than they are isn't helping, though. Let's try and work together to avoid that.

3. Double-spacing in paragraphs after commas and periods is unnecessary here. In formal writing, yes, it is used. On this site (and all Wikia's), even if you put double-spaces in everything, the actual page won't display it, despite existing in the page's actual code. This means that the practice just uses up data space (spaces still count as 1 character) and doesn't actually do anything. This was brought up on Otherarrow's talkpage awhile ago.

4. I just wanted to reiterate that marking unnecessary redirects is totally fine (actually, I was hoping that would start up again), just as long as you fix the the pages that link to it before doing so. I had to fix quite a few pages after several deletion sprees because the now deleted redirects show up as wanted pages. There are still some in the wanted pages, actually. It looks like the few redirects that were marked after I notified you were fixed, so I'm mainly just saying this as a reminder. If you could fix the remaining dead links currently in the wanted pages, I'd appreciate that (not that many left).

For now, that's all I wanted to say. Note that you aren't under attack here, and I'm bringing things to your attention directly like you have requested in the past. I want to do this in a respectful way. Besides these things listed above, edits are starting to get better and the fixes from you concerning our manual of style have been great. The WeaponStat Templates were a major step as well, and are much appreciated (now if we can only add them to more pages).--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:07, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have a question myself. You can see this in the revision history of Nino and Marisa.  Amelia is an exception, as she is using "Other Supports", which consists of one character for her.  Do we show the support lists without percentages as:

Supports

 * Character A
 * Character B
 * Character C
 * Character D
 * Character E
 * Character F


 * Or:

Supports
Character A, Character B, Character C, Character D, Character E, Character F


 * I started doing the second style because I found people doing it on the skill pages before Engweimin found a superior option in templates, but someone keeps reverting them. I am fine if we switch, even if I have been trying to enforce it.  Which Manual of Style should we use?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:00, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really sure why you started to do that with the supports. When the second option is used, it creates a box of floating text instead of a list (floating text boxes were mainly for things like formulas). They should all be lists. Also, I found out that the reason that captionalign keeps getting readded to galleries is because whenever someone edits a gallery in the new Wikia skin, the skin automatically puts that there, unfortunately. So while it is bothersome, we really can't do anything unless Wikia fixes it. I guess all we can do is fix it when it pops up.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 20:37, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I already sent a ticket to Wikia prior to this conversation. I will copy/paste the e-mail onto this talk page:

"Thank you for contacting Wikia. This particular issue should only happen if the user editing the gallery changes the alignment of the text to something other than left, then changes it back. I will forward your ticket to engineering to see if we can fix the issue of the code showing up if we "set the parameter back to default"."

- Wikia support ticket


 * I hope it gets fixed. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 10:58, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Reverting back to normal
hey Thenewguy34 I notice your the only one here so the worm file can you help me revert it back to normal? I was trying to add mine to the wiki and it overwrited the first that new one was supposed to go to gallery so how do you change to original state?Naglfar94 (talk) 11:29, September 13, 2012 (UTC)Naglfar94

Otherarrow whines alot
So what you are saying is, games in Japanese with no English release have to have everything related to them in English or they won't fit your "standard of quality". What if the person uploading the file doesn't know what it translates to? What if he got the file from elsewhere, like an official site and it already had the filename? I'll be honest, I probably overreacted, I shouldn't have called you a "whiny baby" but honestly? Sometimes your "I'm the boss, do what I say!" attitude really annoys me. Chill dude. We are all just contributors to a wiki. There is no boss. (Well, I guess there is Wikia, but like they do much here)--Otherarrow (talk) 12:06, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I want to apologize again. I acted poorly. I messed up. I was immature. It's just, most of the time I feel like you are ordering me around, like you see yourself as the boss. Usually, I just write this off as me being stupid and do it, as you usually were right. But with this and the "I am going to ask OA about something, then ignore what he said and do what I was going to do anyway, even if he ends up telling me otherwise" things, it looks to me like you don't really respect me or my judgement. Again, I am sorry. I probably did something wrong somewhere.--Otherarrow (talk) 12:14, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was just thinking that an English name might be better because a Japanese name seems rather off-color.  But no prob.  If you revert one of my edits and I do not understand, I am going to ask.  Simple logic.  And I admit, you are not the first person to snap at me over the past few weeks.  My attitude and behavior have become more stress-oriented over the past couple of weeks.  And it has shown elsewhere.  You are not my first "superior" to tell me that I have been behaving quite rudely; in fact, two other "superiors" told me that in the past week.  Sorry if you feel like I am being disrespectful or something, but the past few weeks have basically been, "Ooh look, it is a boy! Let us put stress on him to make him look like an asshole!"  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 22:34, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Redirects
Thanks for helping out with marking unnecessary redirects for deletion. Just remember to fix pages that link to them first, although it looks like that isn't a problem anymore. The main thing I wanted to say is that some redirects that we still have are still grey areas. In other words, there are plenty of obvious bad ones to mark before we start considering ones that aren't so obvious.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:53, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * What ones were "Not so obvious"? I just go to Special:AllPages and find the redirects that seem unnecessary.  What "unobvious" redirects are you referring to?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 22:57, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have any specific examples right now, but it will become more apparent when more unnecessary stuff is taken care of. On a related note, that's a strange way to check for bad redirects. Just go to the "Special pages" link in the Toolbox, and under the "Lists of pages" heading, click on "Special:ListRedirects" (I think the link is displayed as "Redirects list"). This is a much better way of seeing all the redirects used on the wiki. Only 1000 are available in the cache at any one time, however.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:05, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox Area
Hi there, Sorry about the confusion relating to my sandbox area. I am actually working on a laptop and switched to a different wireless network, changing my IP without me noticing. It was indeed me editing my user page all those times and this is the user page I use due to it being the one I have most of the time.

So once again sorry. 148.197.74.84 10:18, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:03, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Maeldiun/Maelduin Page Move
If you were wondering about the page move I did, from "Maeldiun" to "Maelduin", it was because we had a minor typo in the name that has been around for a long time. Right after I moved it, I actually did fix the links on all the templates (Creaturenav and Classnav) that still linked to "Maeldiun" to prevent a mess. Usually, after one day, the cache is updated and only non-template links remain in the "What Links Here" list, drastically reducing it. It looks like the system is taking a bit longer to update, though.

I just wanted to say someting in case there were any doubts about what was done. Thanks for taking a look at those unneeded redirects. I left an earlier message on your talk page that has a method for finding them much quicker and easier than sifting through "Allpages"--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:56, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think there are still links that need to be fixed, but I let them go for the second because of how many links there were that needed to be fixed.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:01, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Template Columns
You're not seeing me changing all the pages with the column reminders right away, but I'll fix it if I'm able and happen to be editing the page already. Other users started doing it on some pages, so I'm certainly not going to stop them. I think the column reminder served it's purpose for quite awhile. Of course, if you want to talk about it some more, this thread would be a good place to do so. It really is an acceptable idea, though.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 00:20, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the column reminders be stayed on the Character's stats and more likely helps out? 02:41, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Probably not. They might have been useful in the beginning, when they still needed to be added to a ton of pages, but it's really not hard to see how those templates work. In many cases, they've been put on the pages they needed to be on and are established now. They're columns. A reminder message before each and every column that says "this is a column"...? It really isn't necessary anymore...--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:48, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Note I'm not saying "change them all right away". I'm just not going to stop the users that have started to do it, though. Remember, this isn't a removal of content at all, this is just a coding omission. There is no difference in the displayed page, and for all the pages that use it, it does take up quite a bit of unnecessary space.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:55, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, having the column reminders are really only useful (maybe) when the template is first added to a page (after that, the stats and maybe icons are added, and that's it, the template is complete). Even then, their usefulness is a bit questionable because, honestly, everyone copy/pastes the template to the page that needs it. How would one forget the columns when the entire template is simply copy/pasted anyway?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:09, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I never saw that you responded to the one question on your talk page, so I have always been reluctant about removing them. But it will take a while for me to get used to it, because without the column reminders, the template looks awfully bare.  I will not revert anything anymore, but it will take a while before I start removing them myself.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:28, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter Pages
The Background and Chapter Information headings are already established things. We don't use them on character pages, for instance, because chapter pages are different. Many chapter pages have an opening narration, along with the obligatory "Chapter Name is Chapter X of Fire Emblem Game". That's not really something that comes up on a character page.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:03, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * User talk:Aivass Remurias --Thenewguy34( Other ) 23:06, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm aware. What you're referring to was posted after this thread was put up. Either way, I responded there before you responded to this thread.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:13, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I thought it over some more, and I recall that the "Background" and "Chapter Information" headings were something I started awhile ago, I think, because I was noticing that users were putting other quotes on chapter pages that actually had opening/map narrations. Some chapters don't have opening/map narrations associated with them, so obviously I left those as they were. For the chapter pages that do have opening/map narrations and use the "Background" and "Chapter Information" headings, I see no problem with axing both of those headings and putting the opening quote at the top of the page using the Quote Template. That wasn't what was happening before (you were just deleting the headings and nothing more), so it kind of threw me at first.

This is actually part of a larger discussion I was meaning to bring up with Otherarrow: a clarification of policy regarding quote priority. For chapter pages that have opening/map narrations, those opening/map narrations should take priority over any other and be used as the page's featured quote. If they don't have one, use anything else. For character pages, something other than the generic battle or death quote should take precedence (unless there's no other choice, rare, but seen with some characters like minor FE2 bosses, for example). If you run this by Otherarrow, since he's the admin and can update the Policy page, then feel free to make those changes to the chapter pages. Sound like a plan?--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:52, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 20:02, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

So...I've already started to implement this on a couple of pages...feel free to do the same, provided you use the Quote Template and label the quote with "Opening Narration". As for the possible policy update, you (or I) can give Otherarrow the heads up whenever you are ready.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:19, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * This message is a little late, but I have been ready. --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:32, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Go right ahead, then. I've been pretty clear about what to do, so that should help. It is already starting to come into importance.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 06:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, well, since we are on the topic of headings recently...this. Do you want me to ask, then? I wanted to give you a chance, since it involves your idea.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:03, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Knock yourself out. What is the question?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 12:08, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

This thread, basically. When you said "I have been ready", I thought you would bring it up. It's fine, though, I'll do it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:50, December 4, 2012 (UTC) Sometime this week, most likely.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 03:54, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Holy/Sacred Tome Naga Redirect
That link was a wanted page link I found on Yuria's page. That is the new name of the FE4 weapon for use in FE13, similar to Dark Tome Gimle. Nothing out of the ordinary.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 23:16, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hero King Marth
Just so you know, I never do anything with codes as I am not familiar with them. Any edits that you have found that have me removing the codes are by the site itself, not me. The only things I edit are grammar, punctuation, and validity of written information. Occasionally, I may add in information myself or edit the format, but never will I do anything with codes. I understand that with how the site is, you couldn't tell whether I messed with the codes or not, but rest assured; for the only things I changed in the last edit I made were punctuation mistakes and tense shifts. I never touched the codes. I'm pretty sure repetition has gotten my point across.

Hero King Marth (talk) 00:43, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * So the wiki is removing the  and not you?  That happens to me on occasion, but thanks for letting me know.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 11:09, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Statistics
Please stop changing "stats" to "statistics" without any prior discussion. This is a massive change, and you aren't going going to let this slide with just "I said so, and the one guy I asked doesn't care either way". You don't decide the rules. Such a major change will need discussion, not just the spur of the moment actions of one user.--Otherarrow (talk) 03:42, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Small Favor
Hi there. I wanted to say that the final two WeaponStat/end templates that exist are:


 * Template:WeaponStatFE1&3/end
 * Template:WeaponStatFE7-11/end

The first one is ready to be marked for deletion. The second one has 32 pages that link to it. Would you mind marking the first one for deletion? Anything else is a bonus. I appreciate it! I have to leave for the day, like now. Happy editing.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 02:03, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. I marked the first one.  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 13:42, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate it.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 16:40, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, nice. Only 28 more pages link to Template:WeaponStatFE7-11/end and then that will be ready, too.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 18:10, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Task Board Revival
Hi again. I can't seem to remember what happened to the discussion about adding the Task Board to the community section of the Monobook sidebar (right under Forum, I'd say), but I still think it's a great idea. I want to revive the discussion about it. I think it all started here .--Aivass Remurias (talk) 22:35, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I do indeed want to make that happen, and maybe even install it into the oasis nav on top, so people that still use oasis can get to it as well. I remember Otherarrow once saying:

"Does anyone use the Task Board? I kinda forgot that was there. I'll be honest, if no one is going to use it, I don't see the point."

- Otherarrow back in July


 * I really like the idea of adding the Task Board to our monobook-community sidebar and oasis Navigation Bar, but we got to make sure we can continue using it. Maybe put it in place of Community portal, something we hardly use?  --Thenewguy34( Other ) 13:35, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hang on. I'm not in favor of it replacing anything, no. I'd list it right underneath Forum. I'm really only concerned about Monobook. Oasis has too many quirks. If putting it in Monobook automatically means it shows up in Oasis, then fine. I'm just not too optimistic about Oasis.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 17:32, December 9, 2012 (UTC)