Talk:Fire Emblem Wiki

Needs Work

AUh, any chance of getting an English thing? This place also needs work.– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.110.134.64 (talk).

What do you mean by " an English thing", and yeah, this place needs help.--Cloudofdarkness 17:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Ouch 52 articles since 05'204.126.80.110 20:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

i've been adding articles/contributing, but someone needs to sort out the template problems--Semajdraehs 19:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

can someone sort out the Featured page template because its kind of annoying not having it (not sure how to do it myself)--Semajdraehs 15:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

catergory:regions and cities and catergory:Locations

I'm suggesting we get rid of one as there both practically the same. any thoughts? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Semajdraehs (talk • contribs).

They are the same thing, at least as far as I can see.--Otherarrow 17:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article

Since the Featured Article will stay up until manually edited and we don't know how to make one randomly generate from a set few, I say we just have a Featured Article of the month so that we don't have to change it too often, but we also see a different one every once in a while. Ultimateria:Talk 01:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Have any idea how to do that? I know little to nothing about coding. Also, I think it's time we started a page to sugest and vote for the next one. I nominate Micaiah or Sigurd.--Otherarrow 02:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so... I set up a nominating/voting page here. Obviously, you put your nomination in the Nominations section along with its current amount of votes, then make a ,==Votes for Article Name== section. Votes are tallied at the end of the month! Ultimateria:Talk 03:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Main page layout update

Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

Hopefully you have read about the skin and ad changes at Wikia's New Style on Central Wikia. If not, I hope you'll have a look.

One of the changes is a block of two ads on each main page. It's possible that they won't always show up, but to ensure your main page continues to work properly when they do, you need to update your main page column formatting code with new column tags.

I have drafted a main page using the new tags on User:Kirkburn/Dev which I hope you can take a look at - feel free to make a copy and edit it. Though the layout may seem restrictive at first, there really is a fair amount you can do with them - for example see these customized main pages - Muppet Wiki, WoWWiki, FFXIclopedia. You may want to chat with your wiki community about what direction to take with a new main page.

If you encounter any problems with the new tags, please let us know.

My apologies for any inconvenience these changes bring.
Thank you for your time, Kirkburn (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Morning! Anyone got feedback on the proposal? I would like to be able to switch by the end of the week. Kirkburn (talk) 17:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I've made a few more tweaks and put it live. Enjoy! Kirkburn (talk) 22:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

There was a proposel? These ad things, do they show up in Monobook? Can I make Monobook the default skin? Stupid questions aside, the main page looks really weird now. I would try to fix it, but my coding knowledge is lacking.--Otherarrow 00:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I just fixed a minor issue - what looked weird? You can choose monobook as a personal choice, but not as a default for anon user. Kirkburn (talk) 11:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Eh. It just took some getting used too. Sorry for troubling you.--Otherarrow 11:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

My few cents on the matter

Yeah. Me again. Whoop-de-doo. :P Anyway, there are a few things I've been wondering concerning this wiki and its operations.

• I'm curious to know, in regards to Shadow Dragon namings, why go with Euro ones? After all, it's a bit inconsistent, given that with information concerning pretty much every other Fire Emblem game here, US names (e.g. Renault, Sentinel, Astra) take precedence.
• Now, there's a concern regarding most pages on this wiki that's been bugging me for quite a while, this concerning page layouts. If one were to take a look at a small crosssection of several, say, character pages on this wiki, one will note that they vary drastically in informational layout, the layouts of some pages being better than others. ^{Not only that, but the content itself varies drastically, with many character pages featuring naught but strategy details; my view on that situation is that this site could work well with a fair deal of focus on story elements, since sites detailing strategies are a dime a dozen.} I believe that it would be ideal to perhaps draft a set of doctrinal page guidelines for pages of varying kinds to conform to where possible, with Gerik being an excellent example of a character page.

Now you can rip these ideas apart as you wish. :P --Turaga Dlakii ^Talk! 03:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, here we go...

• I know the Shadow Dragon thing would be a bit controversal and the explaination is this: It is the first version that came out that our non-Japanese users (In other words, most, if not all, of them) could play, coming out about two months before the American version.
• As for the character pages, well, your right. For one, I noticed that some people seem to think if you post the stats on a stub page, it makes it not a stub, but that is just wasting space: when those stats are put in the Charstat template the page does not look that big anymore. I think doctrinal page guidelines are a good idea, and that Gerik is a good example (needs Charstat though, but a tempate in there never hurt anybody). Let's see what the others think.--Otherarrow 09:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article Link?

Oy, let's try to actually link to the featured article. I couldn't get to Lyndis from the homepage.--TheCorrector 02:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

This has to stop

This really has to stop. I know I'm not the only one who has noticed this but sometimes the wiki stops for about 3 hours. No Editing or anything. How can we stop this? Any Ideas?--Inferuno Ryuu 21:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Prime example of what I'm saying.....--Inferuno Ryuu 14:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe if you stopped complaining all the time and actually edit something, this would not happen as often. People cannot edit all the time. They have lives of their own, you know.--Otherarrow 15:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Last time I checked I didn't complain all the time... I'm not the person who has a problem with GhebFE--Inferuno Ryuu 16:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Fan-made patches are not relevant to the wiki at this moment above a brief mention to show how popular a otherwise minor character is, we can not afford to let people pour in tons of fancrud into the wiki, while the real articles still need developing. And your always whining about something, ranging from things you can actually do like "will someone edit this template, will someone make this page?" to stuff like "why isn't this irrelevant fanpatch mentioned, why isn't everyone editing all the time?" Seriously. You can edit, nothing is stopping you. You don't have to ask to edit, and you don't have to complain that nothing is being done. You can do something.--Otherarrow 16:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Asking for something, is not whining. Asking a question isn't whining either. So tell me when do I whine? I haven't asked anyone to make a page. I've asked someone to edit a template. And if I made the Roshea page how do I whine about asking someone to make a page? I ask someone to fix it up because I do it crap. If you want something to be crap then don't fix it. Leave it there. And when someone goes on that page they'll see and jusge if it's crap or not.

So Tell me when do I whine?--Inferuno Ryuu 17:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Your missing the point. You seem to think it is some great sin if you make a page, that Roshea page you made? Only one I have seen you make. Ever. And yet you "request" pages all the time. If you make a crappy page, well, that is why we have this: {{cleanup}}. You seem to love whining about how your silly little fanpatchs seem to get little mention. Like I said, we can't afford to be wasting our time on that just yet, if at all. And asking why people stop editing for an hour, asking a question, coming back when no one has answered and post "Prime example of what I am saying", that makes it appear that your original comment was whining about how people seem to stop editing. You seem to like arguing more than you like editing, so I leave you with this.--Otherarrow 17:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Translations/Character Names.

I can't do this all by myself, but there are a lot of alternate translations for many of the Japanese character names, and I would like it if more people would help me add all of them to the wiki. Thank you.--204.11.191.49 12:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Which ones are you planning to include? Do you just mean the official names, used in the official books and websites, or do you mean the different fan names? In any case, it might be a good idea to establish some sort of format to use.--Aveyn Knight 15:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the FE5 translations should be the most screwed up, what with them garbling things that were considered canon translations in FE4. Most notoriously, Dain into Dine and Noba into Nova.--Trueblade74 16:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the English translated names provided by the websites and books should be taken to be correct. The problem is that the translated names sometimes are not what the original katakana pronunciation would come across as (For example, Tailto would make more sense as Tilty considering the katakana and that her daughter is named Tinny, which is similar to Tilty). Mythological references need to be considered when taking the translation of their names into account (Sigurd, as opposed to Siglud, is a legendary Norse hero; Naga, as opposed to Narga, is a wise serpent god in the Buddhist religion.) There is also translating to literally, such as Yurius and Yuria, when Julius and Julia look more feasible as the translations. The thing is, because of the nature of katakana, it isn't as simple as whatever they say the name should be translated as and further investigation needs to be done to have the names approrpiately translated. Mind you, if the English name and the katakana pronunciation match up and there isn't a more sensible alternative (Yurius/Julius, for example), then there isn't any reason not to accept it then. BadassCyborg3000 05:32, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Let me put it this way, whether or not those names are "correct", those are the names that the official material give us. Since this is a wiki about documenting official FE data, we have no excuse to use the fan translated names since we do have something official. Going against the official material is pretty much going against canon for the sole reason that we think our opinions/translations are "better", which, seeing as the wiki is run by mere fans, is pretty arrogant. There is probably a reason the names were translated the way they were instead of the way we would call "correct", I can think of at least one case where the "Engrish" name was a name pun with another character that didn't really make it into the Japanese for whatever reason. (Also, the "Talito should be Tilty because it's theme naming with Tinny" thing is incorrect, if only because Tinny's name is Teeny, which sounds much less like Tilty)

However, I will hold nothing against you if you do use the fantranslated names in casual conversation since they have been used in the fandom for so long, but when editing please check to see if that is the name being used on the wiki. It doesn't look very good when we can't even call a character by a single name on their own page.--Otherarrow 12:26, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

The wiki's purpose, I thought, was to provide helpful and accurate information for players. Now, I'm not saying to entirely disregard the information provided by the official books, but there does need to be changes in cases where the English names they provide do not match up to the pronunciation of the name. To translate the names correctly isn't an act of arrogance; we're not choosing "better" names, we're choosing names that actually fit what their original intentions are. Now, if the translated name they provide is meant to be a reference to something or a pun, then it is should be left alone because they made the name different for areason. However, I don't see how names like Siglud instead of Sigurd, the mythological character, or Tailto instead of Tilty, which is a correct translation of her name in Japan, can have any sort of significance. (Also, the theme naming does work because the English-translated name of Tinny is incorrect. They have her English name being Teeny, which would look like ティーニー, while her katakana is ティニー, which means Tinny. So Tilty and Tinny do go together as I originally mentioned.) What I am proposing is to make their names fit what they were originally, not what the Japanese translator thought their names would look like in English. These games haven't been released to the US or Europe, so whatever official documents they have will only reflect upon the Japanese audience. What I mean by this is that if they made the game for the United States, they would attempt (not counting puns or special references) to replicate the original katakana. For example, looking at the katakana for Zephiel, it would be pronounced Zephiel or Zefeer. The English name they gave in Japan is Zefhyr which is really close to zephyr, which has the "y" being shorter than in the katakana.

I am not going to change anything if I don't think you'd agree with the change, so there won't be a problem there. I am only asking about this because I think it's important that when people visit the site looking for information on characters or weapons for Japanese-only Fire Emblem games that they know what their name is and how it is pronounced.BadassCyborg3000 19:47, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, technically, since they are official, the book and website names are "accurate", depending on how you look. I'm not saying "no fan translations ever", but at the same time, the names that the creators gave them, as wrong as they may or may not be, should take precedence over whatever we fans can interpret (since, after all, the fan translations have their share of faults as well). While it's true that these "official" names, being translated by presumably someone Japanese which little to no knowledge of English, may loose the meaning, I still feel it is pretty arrogant to assume that these names given by the creators themselves should be considered "less canon" than any fan translations (which would be technically fanon) for any reason. Am I saying all fan translations should be banned and no one is allowed to call them by such names? No! Of course not! However, as far as the wiki goes, those names, while "accurate" aren't necessarily "correct", at least as far as official data is concerned.

Now don't get me wrong, if they announce a overseas release of FE4 and translate his name as Sigurd or her name as Tilty or whatever, then I'll be fine with moving it. On the flip side, what if, for whatever reason, they decide to name Sigurd "Siegfried", which is the same reference, but not at all derived from his Japanese name? (They have done something like this before. Draug comes to mind) We have to take the chance that they might add such "Woolseyisms" as well, so we can't just assume the English translations will go for a straight translation of the katakana. Since the games are in Japan, the names given are the names we should go by, even if just for the time being, as they are official and not constantly changing with every translation patch. (Seriously, most of the variant names we have are from different fan translations rather than anything official. well, except Conomool/r.) We still acknowledge the fan translated names, and give any meaning that said name may imply about the character.

Also, your suggestion that we leave the "official names" alone if they mean something, but change them to our preferred versions if they don't kinda bothers me, mostly due to the fact that this would make the names not at all consistent.

As for pronunciation, I'll admit, I got nothing, but they could have been going for a "pronounced one way but spelled another" thing. I know several real names and words come off as such a way to English speakers. If you want to say "Siglud (katakana, pronounced sigurd, translated Sigurd in fan translations)" or something like that, then I'm fine. That is what we ended up doing for Lleu. (Although the actual name "Lleu" only kinda sorta sounds like "Lay/Ray/whathaveyou".)

And finally, Tilty and Tinny are nonsense names, so I highly doubt they are theme naming because they happen to sound similar. (Likewise, Talito and Teeny are likewise nonsense, but eh.) I am very happy you decided to debate this instead of just assumed that you were correct and started moving pages.--Otherarrow 20:52, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not trying to take sides in this debate, but I do believe that we should be very wary when choosing names, since different people are bound to have different interpretations of a character's name. For instance, BadassCyborg3000 brought up Tilty as being a "better" name, because it takes into account the Japanese romaji and ties in with Tinny's name. However, it's just as possible that their name is based off Tailtiu], which would be more in favour of Tailto being the better name. Although, wasn't the original plan just to list all the alternate names in the character's page? I don't see any reason why not to, if we've already got things like Etymology, which sort of covers this, as well as Trivia. Aveyn Knight 22:13, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think I understand what you are saying. The original plan is still on, as far as I am concerned. I am sorry if it was implied otherwise. I think there were plans to list alternate names in the character template (so the openings don't look as clunky), but I forgot what happened to that idea.--Otherarrow 22:33, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Message from the Deadliest Fiction Wikia...

http://deadliestfiction.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Facetheslayer/Rohirrim_vs._Greil_Mercenaries

The Greil Mercenaries are at war against the Rohirrim, and they need your support!– The preceding unsigned comment was added by Facetheslayer (talk • contribs).

Independance

Hello, I am a random fan of the series and of Nintendo as a whole and was wondering whether there were any plans to go independent and join NIWA?– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.21.15.249 (talk).

Why? Maybe I am just a worrywort, but going independent just for the sake of going independent is way riskier than just staying and adapting to the changes, especially since the old wiki will still be here. It's not like we have any current problems that would really motivate us to jump ship.--Otherarrow 15:00, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Huh? But this is an incredibly well-done site we have here. We even have several of the obscure subjects set up well! Exactly what would becoming independent do for us negatively? And independent of what? --Trueblade74 16:43, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

First of all, don't respond to comments several months old. Second of all, you clearly have no real clue about the reaction to the new skin and how several wikis overreacted and jumped the gun on leaving (some have made it work regardless, others not so much, but that is irrelevent). I repeat, we have no plans on leaving at this time.--Otherarrow 20:19, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Featured Article

Why are you guys not changing the featured article? Elincia has been on there for around two months so it needs to be changed to the next winner. Tiero 17:07, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Two months? As of tomorrow, she has been up for one entire month (I checked!) As for why it hasn't been changed yet, 1. it's still June, and 2. the votes for the next article are currently tied....with one each. So get voting!--Otherarrow 19:02, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Archtype: "Hardin" class

i noticed that on the archtype page in the "hardin" section, one of the characters that should be added is Orson from FE:8. he was a knight who was thought very loyal. He eventually betrayed the main characters so his dead wife would be brought back.Zaronchris 22:36, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Err...? I think that goes to the Archetype's talkpage or Hardin's talk page explaing about Archetype of Hardin's. But, this is like for the Main Page, other Fire Emblem stuff, or something else. I am right? -- King Marth 64 (talk • other wikis • blogs) http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k576/DigiPen92/25px-Marthsprite.gif http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k576/DigiPen92/Luigidance.gif 04:27, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you Marth. While it's good to know, that kind of statement would be more interesting to people if placed in other talkpages. No hard feelings, just a suggestion for future reference. Kingboo3000, the DarkMatter Alchemist 23:43, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

What happened to the Main Page?

Not sure what happened here, but the entire main page suddenly just shifted around the order of the content boxes for some unknown reason. To my knowledge, no one has edited the main page since I changed the featured article. Does anyone know what's wrong, and how we would fix it? (I'd try fiddling with it, but I am no good with code)--Otherarrow 14:03, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wait now it seems to have fixed itself. Nevermind then.--Otherarrow 14:13, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong with "Did you know..."

Don't know if I can change it myself, but didn't find anywhere to do it so I'll notify you here.

In the "Did you know..." section there's a fact about the crusader Sety, says something like this: ...that Sety, one of the twelve crusaders, is the original wielder of the Holsety tome?

It's linking to Sety (the playable character, Fury's son) and not to the crusader Sety. It would be good if someone could change it :) – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.229.234.131 (talk).

Oh? Don't worry, I'll take care of it. Thanks for pointing that out!--Otherarrow 23:27, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Poll

The Poll is waaayyyy overdue. Upon this waiting, I've already created another one. I just need the past poll moved to the poll archive before I can do so.

New Poll?

Which game do you want released overseas the most?

• Fire Emblem Gaiden FE2 (with Alm and Celica or however you spell her name)
• Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu (FE4, with Sigurd and Seliph)
• Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (FE5, with Leif as the main character)
• Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi (FE6, with Roy)
• Fire Emblem: Shin Monshō no Nazo ~Hikari to Kage no Eiyū~(FE12- Marth's 2nd story)
• Fire Emblem: Awakening (FE13, the upcoming game with Chrom and the holy kingdom of Ylisse)

(I wrote both The Poll and New Poll? at the same time)--Thenewguy34 12:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if the poll is overdue. The poll shouldn't be your focus. Editing articles should be your focus. Don't worry about it. If it really bothers you that much, then fine. I'll make a new poll. Geez.--Otherarrow 15:43, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

French Wiki

Hello here. I'm from the French Wiki and I want to know if it's okay to make a link here.

Dymew222 (talk) 16:50, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Of course it's OK. I admit, I don't recall how the Spanish and German (and Japanese apparently?) Wikis did it, but I will see if I can't get you linked. Thanks for the work on a French site.--Otherarrow (talk) 18:20, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and one thing, how do you made this tramplate? I Don't manage to do it >< Dymew222 (talk) 18:22, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'm looking for someone to help me with my wiki please respond.

No spoilers? Fucking disgraceful.

The Fire Emblem Wiki is a great source for information and all, but it has one fatal problem, and that's that its writers seem to have no goddamn regard for spoiler-related content, or rather, marking it as such so that people can read information on a character without having to risk learning every last goddamn spoilerrific detail about him or her. 

I only own three Fire Emblem games, and all three of them have been irreversibly, irrevocably spoiled for me by the fucking lack of consideration shown to those who want to experience the story for themselves. In fact, I felt oblicated to register on this wiki for the sole purpose of bringing this to the attention of whosoever it may concern, because it's clear that someone (or a lot of someones) just don't fucking get it. 

Please forgive my atrocious language and raging temper with this right now (or... don't, I honestly don't care, I think my anger is pretty justified). In a series as story-intensive as the Fire Emblem games, people should really know better when it comes to marking certain details with spoiler tags. I don't think it's that difficult to section that information off and mark it so people know to skip over something that they might not want to know until it happens in-game. 

Blademaster Banryu (talk) 04:19, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

There is a spoiler warning on the front page... Not exactly sure why they aren't used on induvidual pages, but it's there. Looking up any main character is bound to draw out spoilers.

L95 (talk) 11:07, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I shouldn't have to risk major plot spoilers just by looking up a character's stats or backstory or whatsoever I may desire to learn. I really don't think it's too much to ask that a reader should be able to get basic information without having spoilers shoved in his/her face. Hell, I'm finding spoilers about certain characters without even looking on the page for THAT character. I was looking at Greil, right? I know he dies, so how many spoilers can there be? On Greil's page, the quote and intro right at the top of the page CLEARLY spell out the identity of the Black Knight. Now, Radiant Dawn has been out for a while now yeah, so I suppose it's understandable that they have clearly unmarked spoilers for a game that's sort of old, so yeah, even if it's kind of sloppy... But no! On the page for the Awakening 'my avatar' character, the first three paragraphs of the first section immediately reveal the character's entire backstory, which was the greatest mystery about the character (Nintendo even clearly implied that 'Marth' is Lucina on the official FE:A website, but don't give you anything about the avatar. And it's FOR A FUCKING REASON.) There is no regard for people who have not played THIS freshly-released game EITHER. 

As far as the spoiler warning on the front page goes...

Warning: This wiki contains spoilers. Read at your own risk.

Oh okay, that's great, thanks for letting me know, wiki. I'll be sure to look out for those.

• clicks on Greil*

as;lkdjf aoi eq WHATDAFUCK they're right at the top?! Not marked even?! Oh okay, I understand NOW. What that spoiler warning SHOULD have said was 

Warning: This wiki contains UNMARKED spoilers. Read ANY page at ALL and you run the risk of running into MAJOR, KEY PLOT SPOILERS. In fact, if you read any page at all, it is highly unlikely that you will NOT run into spoilers.

No but it's fine, the fact that you're defending the unmarked spoilers indicates clearly to me that exactly what I thought is the case, that you people just don't give a fuck if the plot is ruined for someone or not. 

Blademaster Banryu (talk) 16:59, March 12, 2013 (UTC)