Does anyone know if he was the brother of the original Galle (Emperor Galle the First) or one of the seventeen that followed? On the one hand, this page links to the original Galle as his brother, but on the other hand, he has Loptous blood (how would he obtain that from a brother?) and he's referred to as a descendant of the original Galle. It's very confusing.--GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 02:10, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

He was the brother of one of the later Galles, though I am not sure if it is specified which one. The point in the timeline where his life and death are placed make it impossible for him to be brothers to the first.--Otherarrow (talk) 21:32, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thank you! I'm trying to make a family tree of the Jugdral series, and I needed that relationship defined.--GwenhwyfarRaven (talk) 02:10, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
I think there is already a great family tree over at Serenes Forest, though I am pretty sure it was made before one of the recent fanbooks (I want to say the 20th Anniversary book, but I could be wrong), and thus is missing some of the info in there.--Otherarrow (talk) 02:50, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


I find this article is worded very confusingly. For example:

In "...perpetual sacrifices and murders, raised by Maira's followers", to whom does "raised by Maira's followers" refer?

What's the deal with a rebellion? Who is rebelling against whom?

What does "harmonizing Loptyr with the old gods" mean?-- 23:49, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I believe Aveyn Knight did a good job in fixing these points you brought up.--Aivass Remurias (talk) 01:21, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
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